tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4226785600749499676.post6261758162150305742..comments2024-03-17T00:11:48.218-07:00Comments on INDIA UNDER ATTACK & OTHER MUSINGS !!: SHARIA IN SWAT - VIEWPOINTS FROM PAKISTANBENGAL UNDER ATTACKhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01412970042016633087noreply@blogger.comBlogger28125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4226785600749499676.post-562057154476602772012-10-25T11:27:49.316-07:002012-10-25T11:27:49.316-07:00About Al Khawarizmi I had this friend from Libya w...About Al Khawarizmi I had this friend from Libya who kept insisting that Al Khawarizmi was the propounder of his treatise on Artihmetic and Astronomy, but the British later credited it to the Hindus as they had perpetual hate for Muslims. Of course we know that Khawarizmi himself never hid the fact that the Hindus pioneered whatever he merely commented on. But this Libyan guy was a shallow minded person of lowly intellect. So I stayed at his level - and just asked him to go home and look up the name of Khawarizmi's treatise on arithmetic and astronomy. This guy doesnt know Arabic as he was bron to a wealthy Libyan family in London who only speak English. (Although he is a proud Muslim) Anyway he came back the next day and both the treatises ended with the words al-Hind. I then brought him to a Nigerian friend of mine who is fluent in Arabic, and asked him the meaning of al-Hind, in the context of the whole name. The Nigerian said it means ''...of the Hindus''. He went on and asked a few more of his friends and got the same answer (although it wasnt difficult to deduce Hind = Hindu / something related even for a person who knows not a bit of Arabic like me) hope i am not ranting, but another thing interesting about Alberuni's visit to India, where he gained deep indights into advanced Hindu astrology and logic and propogated it to the Arabs. Indian astronomers Aryabhata and Brahmagupta recognized gravity as a force of attraction and understood that there was a force of attraction between the Sun and the Earth. In Alberuni's ''Ta'rikh al-Hind'' treatise, he wrote that critics refuting Aryabhata's heliocentric system argued: if such were the case, stones would and trees would fall from the earth. According to Alberuni, Brahmagupta responded to these criticisms with the following argument, which is astounding with logic: On the contrary, if that were the case, the earth would not vie in keeping an even and uniform pace with the minutes of heaven, the pranas of the times. [...] All heavy things are attracted towards the center of the earth. [...] The earth on all its sides is the same; all people on earth stand upright, and all heavy things fall down to the earth by a law of nature, for it is the nature of the earth to attract and to keep things, as it is the nature of water to flow, that of fire to burn, and that of wind to set in motion… The earth is the only low thing, and seeds always return to it, in whatever direction you may throw them away, and never rise upwards from the earth.Christopherhttps://twitter.com/elizabethswill1/status/242770477427343360noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4226785600749499676.post-49677860377671489162011-09-27T02:19:08.031-07:002011-09-27T02:19:08.031-07:00Wahabies (ahl-e-hadis) are real cause of trouble f...Wahabies (ahl-e-hadis) are real cause of trouble for Islam and humanity. Their dreadful beards and ugly face are evidence of this phenomena. Shahid Karimihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02925321075316282470noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4226785600749499676.post-9291734629945370102009-02-19T00:46:00.000-08:002009-02-19T00:46:00.000-08:00OK BUA thanx. i am sorry for deviating from the to...OK BUA thanx. i am sorry for deviating from the topic of swat and talking about the cons of Islam and the Quran. i was just responding to your comment on what SMZ buddy said. again i know he says it out of his conscience and using logics and common sense as to the meaning of religion. i am talking about the true sense of islam, that according to islam alone can lead one to heaven with 72 virgins. so pls take it easy. i will stay silent for the time being as i want the discussion to be on track with the topic ie. swat / taliban.<BR/><BR/>take care buddyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4226785600749499676.post-55009876634805292452009-02-18T21:48:00.000-08:002009-02-18T21:48:00.000-08:00An article in the Asia Times. The larger Game Plan...An article in the Asia Times. The larger Game Plan and SWAT's importance to the Muslim World, And why is Sufi Muhammad the biggest hero of current times for Muslims. <BR/><BR/>http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/KB19Df01.htmlTTV INDIAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17259099192365733217noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4226785600749499676.post-54371973413548016202009-02-18T20:41:00.000-08:002009-02-18T20:41:00.000-08:00Its great to see "logical" debates on an "emotive"...Its great to see "logical" debates on an "emotive" issue. Will come back to this later and will sit with SMZ for sure at a date sooner than later.<BR/><BR/>However, later if situation permits, I will discuss about an ancient copy of Quran found that is in the hands of "Germans" which the Islamic world tried to hide. Paksitan too had all references to it dropped. <BR/><BR/>But let's not muddy the issue here on that count. Suffice it to know and keep it in your reserve "brain" that a separate copy of Quran exists and it is now with the Germans.BENGAL UNDER ATTACKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01412970042016633087noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4226785600749499676.post-22948134997169339052009-02-18T11:27:00.000-08:002009-02-18T11:27:00.000-08:00In response to FAFurther, Islam in its essence may...In response to FA<BR/><BR/>Further, Islam in its essence may not, as you say, justify killing of innocents (or even discrimination of non Muslims??). Whatever. But its guidebook, which proclaims itself as the divine truth contains way too much material that are against your notion. Imagine if educated people like u and me interprate it in the same way, how else can the illeterate and narrow minded Taliban do so? And even if its done for self gain, the ''gainer'' got a fantastic excuse to justify his actions = ''the Quran's teachings cannot be questionned''.<BR/><BR/>i hope i have done you no offence. take careAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4226785600749499676.post-59877368146733968602009-02-18T11:21:00.000-08:002009-02-18T11:21:00.000-08:00In response to FAI hope the larger of Muslims can ...In response to FA<BR/><BR/>I hope the larger of Muslims can have a deeper sense of logic like you do. Keep it up. Respect for all, all for respect.<BR/><BR/>However I cannot denounce my earlier claim on the quran and violence. For example Bukhari 4:52:256 states that while Muslim women and Children must be out of harm's way in war, pagan women and children (non believers) can be exposed to danger. Read it above.<BR/><BR/>Quran 9.29 from what I know is not in context of war. It doesn't say that at least. I can provide many more examples of such a nature that has nothing to do with war.<BR/><BR/>Further, remember, the Quran, according to Muslims is the unchanged word of god. there is no such thing as "context for war" or "peace". The Quran is supposed to be timeless and applicable for all epochs of Mankind's existance, according to Muslims. I'm firmly of the opinion that Hudud and Qisas laws were applicable in those days, but not today. It was common all over in olden days for such gruesome punishments. Muslims however don't accept that argument, and continue to argue that these laws, prescribed by Muhammad are applicable to the very end of Mankind. They fail to understand that all that was intended is a deterant, and in those days, this was a deterant. These days, I can bravely say that prison terms are a far better deterant than Sharia. Does Iran / Saudi have the lowest crime rates? No. Its Sinapore, Sweden and other countries practising common law.<BR/><BR/>the same goes with wearing of the Burqa. This clothing was used by Jahiliahs because (1) to shield themselves from sandstorms (even men used to cover their faces!) (2) to hide women in veils because Jahiliah people used to kidnap ladies and marry them. So to hide them from their family members, they used to veil them up.<BR/><BR/>However there is no reason for Muslims to wear it in current day in countries like USA, UK etc. All that is prescribed is modest attire in Islam. But it is interpreted to mean EXACTLY what was done at Muhammad's time - full Burqa.<BR/><BR/>This is what I am saying is unacceptable - RIGID adherence to the book without sparing a moment of thought.<BR/><BR/>And its this attitude that has moulded into the Muslim fanatic the world has seen for the last 1400 yrsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4226785600749499676.post-21789189690557535872009-02-18T11:02:00.000-08:002009-02-18T11:02:00.000-08:00About Al Khawarizmi I had this friend from Libya w...About Al Khawarizmi I had this friend from Libya who kept insisting that Al Khawarizmi was the propounder of his treatise on Artihmetic and Astronomy, but the British later credited it to the Hindus as they had perpetual hate for Muslims.<BR/><BR/>Of course we know that Khawarizmi himself never hid the fact that the Hindus pioneered whatever he merely commented on. <BR/><BR/>But this Libyan guy was a shallow minded person of lowly intellect. So I stayed at his level - and just asked him to go home and look up the name of Khawarizmi's treatise on arithmetic and astronomy.<BR/><BR/>This guy doesnt know Arabic as he was bron to a wealthy Libyan family in London who only speak English. (Although he is a proud Muslim)<BR/><BR/>Anyway he came back the next day and both the treatises ended with the words al-Hind. I then brought him to a Nigerian friend of mine who is fluent in Arabic, and asked him the meaning of al-Hind, in the context of the whole name. The Nigerian said it means ''...of the Hindus''. He went on and asked a few more of his friends and got the same answer <BR/><BR/>(although it wasnt difficult to deduce Hind = Hindu / something related even for a person who knows not a bit of Arabic like me)<BR/><BR/>hope i am not ranting, but another thing interesting about Alberuni's visit to India, where he gained deep indights into advanced Hindu astrology and logic and propogated it to the Arabs. <BR/><BR/>Indian astronomers Aryabhata and Brahmagupta recognized gravity as a force of attraction and understood that there was a force of attraction between the Sun and the Earth.<BR/><BR/>In Alberuni's ''Ta'rikh al-Hind'' treatise, he wrote that critics refuting Aryabhata's heliocentric system argued:<BR/><BR/><I>if such were the case, stones would and trees would fall from the earth.</I><BR/><BR/>According to Alberuni, Brahmagupta responded to these criticisms with the following argument, which is astounding with logic:<BR/><BR/><I>On the contrary, if that were the case, the earth would not vie in keeping an even and uniform pace with the minutes of heaven, the pranas of the times. [...] All heavy things are attracted towards the center of the earth. [...] The earth on all its sides is the same; all people on earth stand upright, and all heavy things fall down to the earth by a law of nature, for it is the nature of the earth to attract and to keep things, as it is the nature of water to flow, that of fire to burn, and that of wind to set in motion… The earth is the only low thing, and seeds always return to it, in whatever direction you may throw them away, and never rise upwards from the earth.</I>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4226785600749499676.post-55091620092839897672009-02-18T10:34:00.000-08:002009-02-18T10:34:00.000-08:00to the guy who quoted verses from The Holy Quran-i...to the guy who quoted verses from The Holy Quran-<BR/>if you want to undertsand The Holy Quran you have to take the verses in context.The verses you have mentioned are in the context of a war. <BR/><BR/>Here i will like to clarify something: Islam does NOT propagate the killing of innocent non-muslims. I accept some elements do this, but they are not true muslims and they are just using islam for their political ends.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4226785600749499676.post-88729440171561471802009-02-18T10:31:00.000-08:002009-02-18T10:31:00.000-08:00in reply to anon at 10:00 AMi fully understand and...in reply to anon at 10:00 AM<BR/><BR/>i fully understand and take this opportunity to salute Muslims as you have spoken about eg MJ Akbar, Abdul Kalam, and thousands more. These are persons who see the light at the end of the tunnel and seek it, not try to hack the walls of the dark tunnel for light. These are probably persons who understand, out of the quranic texts, that there are multiple routes to one destination. Each road to the destination is provided with a guidebook. And each of those guide books are not perfect to a varying degree. Hence it is up to the traveller to use his logic and decide if he would blindly follow his book or his wisdom. Its whether he will follow his wisdom, logic and instinct or his believe in only the guidebook over his humanly qualities of senses endowned on every human being for a purpose. <BR/><BR/>Now when a person without using his own corrective wisdom blindly follows his guidebook, he will act precisely to what it says, in a straight forward point of view. And thats what the largest group of Muslims are doing today. Verses from that guide book, I have provided above, which explains and justifies actions of Muslims like Zaid Zaman Hamid, Osama, Aurangazeb, and millions more.<BR/><BR/>The other group of lesser followers form the elite group who use their wisdom over their guidebook where they feel the guidebook isnt correct. Remember a guide book can only GUIDE. We eventually make the action, and have a right to accept or deny what we see in the guidebook, using what has been endowned on all humans - LOGIC and SENSE. <BR/><BR/>The group you speak about, their LOGIC and SENSES prevail over the guidebook. They do what they feel is correct although they may study their guidebook to pick up the good from it and practise that too. <BR/><BR/>Because at the end of the day when u face the consequences of blind walking, you face the consequences, not the guidebook or the author of the guidebook.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4226785600749499676.post-42653329609477764422009-02-18T10:12:00.000-08:002009-02-18T10:12:00.000-08:00BUA, if your SMZ buddy is a open minded guy who wo...BUA, if your SMZ buddy is a open minded guy who wouldnt bother u or other religions, then drop the issue. It wont be good to hurt him or critisise his religion, and may have a negative implication on your relations with him. However if he is a guy who is a pro-muslim fanatic (like ZAID ZAMAN alter ego), then put forward these questions to him and see what he says. after all i can provide an almost free flowing supply of such hate verses / verses condoning violence and torture from the Quran. About translation, all the verses above (Quran) are frm Yusuf Ali's or Pickthal's translation while Hadiths are from Muhsin Khan's translation. These are all amongst the most profilic translators of the respective texts and if you indeed bring this up to SMZ, and he doesn't agree with the translations, kindly ask him to provide his translation which shd be sourced frm a notable Quranic translator.<BR/><BR/>The issue isnt about the ''intrinsic meaning'' that modern Muslims use to defend. Its about how an average person from the ghettos of right from Pakistan to Somalia to Indonesia would interpret those verses. What would they make of it. I can assure you they wont be able to figure out any intrinsic meanings if any. even an educated person like me (and I presume you) cannot find any intrinsic thing in there, other than exactly what is said, as it is said very simply in straight-forward language (eg kill infidels, plunder pagans, make non believers submit etc).<BR/><BR/>and if those are to be meant in their ''intrinsic meaning'' i can bravely say since the day Islam and the quran came into being, the larger group of muslims have only interpreted all this in one way: the common way u and i look at it. the direct meaning. and thats why they supressed, plundered and massacered non-believers, and made them submit to jizyah and their other rulings where ever they ruled. and the trend carries on to this day in every muslim countries.<BR/><BR/>how u want to put all this forward to SMZ is up to you. that was just my comment to what ur friend said (i believe this blog will accept all kinds of logical comments, correct me if i am wrong). Again if he is dear to you and isnt a fanatic type of person even 0.001% of ZAID ZAMAN HAMID, then dont upset his feelings.<BR/><BR/>however If he is one who thinks islam and only islam should dawn every human in this universe, and everyone else are non believing hypocrit demons, and only Muhammad and nobody else is the perfect example in all of mankind of a spotless being, then please ask him to visit here and take the challenge: <BR/><BR/>http://www.faithfreedom.org/challenge.htm<BR/><BR/>if he wins the rewards are really fantastic.<BR/><BR/>Take care bro.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4226785600749499676.post-35365812068865552562009-02-18T10:00:00.000-08:002009-02-18T10:00:00.000-08:00THOMAS L FRIEDMAN IN NEW YORK TIMES:There are nine...THOMAS L FRIEDMAN IN NEW YORK TIMES:<BR/><BR/>There are nine bodies — all of them young men — that have been lying in a Mumbai hospital morgue since Nov. 29. They may be stranded there for a while because no local Muslim charity is willing to bury them in its cemetery. This is good news.<BR/><BR/>The nine are the Pakistani Muslim terrorists who went on an utterly senseless killing rampage in Mumbai on 26/11 — India’s 9/11 — gunning down more than 170 people, including 33 Muslims, scores of Hindus, as well as Christians and Jews. It was killing for killing’s sake. They didn’t even bother to leave a note.<BR/><BR/>All nine are still in the morgue because the leadership of India’s Muslim community has called them by their real name — “murderers” not “martyrs” — and is refusing to allow them to be buried in the main Muslim cemetery of Mumbai, the 7.5-acre Bada Kabrastan graveyard, run by the Muslim Jama Masjid Trust.<BR/><BR/>“People who committed this heinous crime cannot be called Muslim,” Hanif Nalkhande, a spokesman for the trust, told The Times of London. Eventually, one assumes, they will have to be buried, but the Mumbai Muslims remain defiant.<BR/><BR/>“Indian Muslims are proud of being both Indian and Muslim, and the Mumbai terrorism was a war against both India and Islam,” explained M.J. Akbar, the Indian-Muslim editor of Covert, an Indian investigative journal. “Terrorism has no place in Islamic doctrine. The Koranic term for the killing of innocents is ‘fasad.’ Terrorists are fasadis, not jihadis. In a beautiful verse, the Koran says that the killing of an innocent is akin to slaying the whole community. Since the ... terrorists were neither Indian nor true Muslims, they had no right to an Islamic burial in an Indian Muslim cemetery.”Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4226785600749499676.post-20858047301901309192009-02-18T02:54:00.000-08:002009-02-18T02:54:00.000-08:00To Anon at Feb 11, 1:18 AM - my friend told me abo...To Anon at Feb 11, 1:18 AM - my friend told me about China and the bracketed reply was mine - an obvious wrong interpretation it seems.<BR/><BR/>820 AD Algebra Invented. The Arabic scholar al-Khwarizmi set forth the branch of Alegebra. Al Khwarizmi derived his works from Hindu works as well as other earlier works.<BR/><BR/>You are right on that, and stand corrected. Thanks.<BR/><BR/>BuABENGAL UNDER ATTACKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01412970042016633087noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4226785600749499676.post-68327392078226747802009-02-18T02:51:00.000-08:002009-02-18T02:51:00.000-08:00TO Anon above : I will take a printout and sit wit...TO Anon above : I will take a printout and sit with SMZ and if anyone can give me a translation it will be him.<BR/><BR/>However, let me make myself clear. SMZ may be a very good friend of mine but he is a Muslim first - hence he may well sugar coat his views, but knowing him he passionately believes in what he says and in his company he has kept majority of Hindu employees. His knowledge of different religions and how one has correlation with the other is really fascinating.<BR/><BR/>I do know though - listen to learned voices, but take own decisions.<BR/><BR/>@ Clemenza will cover it in the article "Our response"BENGAL UNDER ATTACKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01412970042016633087noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4226785600749499676.post-83740453882786734672009-02-18T01:40:00.000-08:002009-02-18T01:40:00.000-08:00BUA - in reply to zaid zaman above,Let me point ou...BUA - in reply to zaid zaman above,<BR/><BR/>Let me point out to you the actual problem is NOT like your friend says. The Taliban are illeterate and memorize the Quran verbally. However there are verses in the Quran that when viewed from a STRAIGHT point of view (yes, straight, not skewed) advocate killing non believers. And that's the whole problem here. The sick book authorises such insanity.<BR/><BR/>check out the following statements frm Quran and tell me whether it sounds like a "religion of peace":<BR/><BR/><BR/>[Quran 9.29]:<BR/><I>Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold forbidden that which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.</I><BR/><BR/>[Quran 5:33]:<BR/><I>The only reward of those who make war upon Allah and His messenger and strive after corruption in the land (non believers) will be that they will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. Such will be their degradation in the world, and in the Hereafter theirs will be an awful doom.</I><BR/><BR/>[Quran 9:14]:<BR/><I>Fight them (non believers)! Allah will chastise them at your hands, and He will lay them low and give you victory over them, and He will heal the breasts of folk who are believers.</I><BR/><BR/>[Quran 66.9]:<BR/><I>O Prophet! Strive hard against the Unbelievers and the Hypocrites, and be firm against them. Their abode is Hell,- an evil refuge (indeed).</I><BR/><BR/>[Tabari IX 76]:<BR/><I>Malik has reported to me that you were the first from Himyar to embrace Islam and that you have killed infidels, so rejoice at your good fortune.</I><BR/><BR/>[Quran 2.190]:<BR/><BR/><I>Jihad is holy fighting in Allah’s Cause with full force of numbers and weaponry. It is given the utmost importance in Islam and is one of its pillars. By Jihad Islam is established, Allah’s Word is made superior (which means only Allah has the right to be worshiped), and Islam is propagated. By abandoning Jihad Islam is destroyed and Muslims fall into an inferior position; their honor is lost, their lands are stolen, their rule and authority vanish. Jihad is an obligatory duty in Islam on every Muslim. He who tries to escape from this duty, or does not fulfill this duty, dies as a hypocrite.</I><BR/><BR/>YOU SPOKE ABOUT WOMEN / CHILDREN<BR/><BR/>[Sahih Bukhari 4:52:256]:<BR/><I>Narrated As-Sab bin Jaththama: The Prophet passed by me at a place called Al-Abwa or Waddan, and was asked whether it was permissible to attack the pagan warriors at night with the probability of exposing their women and children to danger. The Prophet replied, "They (i.e. women and children) are from them (i.e. pagans)." I also heard the Prophet saying, "The institution of Hima is invalid except for Allah and His Apostle."</I><BR/><BR/>ISLAM PEACE RELIGION?? WHY EVERY ISLAMIC FLAG GOT SOME WEAPON ON IT?? LOOK AT SAUDI (SWORD) AND PAKISTAN (SICKLE)<BR/><BR/>[Sahih Bukhari 9:87:164]:<BR/><I>Narrated Abu Musa: The Prophet said, "I saw in a dream that I waved a sword and it broke in the middle, and behold, that symbolized the casualties the believers suffered on the Day (of the battle) of Uhud. Then I waved the sword again, and it became better than it had ever been before, and behold, that symbolized the Conquest (of Mecca) which Allah brought about and the gathering of the believers. "</I><BR/><BR/><BR/>NOW BUA this is a challenge to you:<BR/><BR/>Ask your SMZ buddy to justify these verses. <BR/><BR/>Ask him to deny their existance or question the translation. <BR/><BR/>(even if he does I can provide a whole load more of such verses the Quran is jampacked with)<BR/><BR/>A kaffir is one who is against "PEACE". As peace translates to Islam. - Where does it say such a thing in the Quran? Remember Taliban and Pakistanis are illeterate monocular pigs and only whats written in the Quran matters to them.<BR/><BR/>I appreciate your friend's wisdom to actually understand the true meaning behind all religions. But unfortunately his wisdom is directly opposite of Islam's notion, sorry to say.<BR/><BR/>And thats why even if Muslims go to Pluto, if they dont denounce the Quran, or at least reform themselves to have a more open, realistic mind instead of rigidly following a 6th century hate text, they will forever be the scum of mankind.<BR/><BR/>Sorry if I sound fanatic but its not my intention. Lets be straight and open here.<BR/><BR/>BUA no offence please, both to you and SMZ.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4226785600749499676.post-67527205177326543072009-02-18T01:23:00.000-08:002009-02-18T01:23:00.000-08:00I was wondering too, coz at that time, India was t...I was wondering too, coz at that time, India was the land of knowledge.<BR/><BR/>China too had an advanced civilization but the knowledge base was in India.<BR/><BR/>BuA, the basic replies are correct though.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4226785600749499676.post-32396661141063994262009-02-18T01:11:00.000-08:002009-02-18T01:11:00.000-08:00BUA - in reply to zaid zaman above,"..so much so t...BUA - in reply to zaid zaman above,<BR/><BR/>"..so much so that he advocated that they should even go off to China to gain knowledge (apparently at that time, China was considered a country having advanced knowledge)."<BR/><BR/>Wrong, actually China was considered as the farthest away land that Muslims had not entered. From Saudia Islam spread upwards to Europe, west to Africa and East to the Indian subcontinent, but stopped on the fothills of the Himalayas.<BR/><BR/>As such China was considered as the "far away land" and so our Prophet (pboh) made a metaphoric statement saying "gain knowledge even if its from China" - which means endavour your best (travel the farthest possible worlds) to gain knowledge. It had nothing to do with China having advanced knowledge. At those days, it was India and a lesser extent Persia who were considered to be advanced countries because Arab travellers (eg Al Khawarizmi) picked up a treasure trove of Hindoo knowledge from India (eg Gravitational theories, numericals, and other math). China was not know as a "knowledge country" because no knowledge from China was spread directly to the Muslims. ingenous Chinese inventions like silk, bell, gunpowder etc all passed India and matured there before Arabs picked it up. So India was the land of knowledge.<BR/><BR/>just for your knowledge!! no offence!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4226785600749499676.post-67591952912415227132009-02-17T23:10:00.000-08:002009-02-17T23:10:00.000-08:00BuAOne quick question for you.US seems to be ok wi...BuA<BR/><BR/>One quick question for you.<BR/><BR/>US seems to be ok with Pakistan having a Cease fire with Taliban.<BR/>[as per rediff.com]<BR/><BR/>how is that possible?<BR/><BR/>cheers,<BR/>ClemenzaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4226785600749499676.post-31203299860762377792009-02-17T22:07:00.000-08:002009-02-17T22:07:00.000-08:00I swear... Another surprise. A day of surprises i ...I swear... Another surprise. A day of surprises i guess. Darra Adam Khel having internet???? And people reading Indian Blogs amidst Mullah Radio's fatwa and stuff..... Kewl Man... a definite ZZh (You know what to write) or AQ stooge. Good to see them frustrated and flabbergasted. Morons... the Sadist in me is enjoying this BuA.... <BR/><BR/>And by the way, do convey my regards to SMZ, the words you have mentioned have changed the way I look at all things Islamic. Would like to interact with him sometime too. Ask him to contribute here as well.TTV INDIAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17259099192365733217noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4226785600749499676.post-81389463460037563242009-02-17T21:32:00.000-08:002009-02-17T21:32:00.000-08:00I received this mail from alter ego of Z Harris:@ ...I received this mail from alter ego of Z Harris:<BR/><BR/>@ Bua,<BR/><BR/>you change your music now,<BR/>no, you remain enemy, we will<BR/>come and get all culprits<BR/>killing Afghanis and Pakistani,<BR/>your blood is allowed to every <BR/>Afghanis, Pakistani, and <BR/>Talibans. Talibans are reading<BR/>each and every comment on your<BR/>fucking blog, you arseholes.<BR/><BR/><BR/>Akbar Khan Wardak, <BR/>Darra Adam khel<BR/><BR/>MY REPLY:<BR/><BR/>Mr AK Wardak = Z Harris. I will go so far as to say that you have not read your Quran properly and even if you have read you have not understood the meaning. Otherwise you will not be posting threats and using foul language. You have the right to express your views, but this is "low class".<BR/><BR/>My very good friend, who I will call Syed M Z and who is of Middle Eastern descent and is a devout Muslim and comes from a family of religious peers has to say this:<BR/><BR/>The problem with Pakistan is that most of the Taliban are illiterate, and they are taught the wrong interpretation of Quran. Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) has stated his followers to educate themselves and then educate their children - so much so that he advocated that they should even go off to China to gain knowledge (apparently at that time, China was considered a country having advanced knowledge).<BR/><BR/>SMZ told me that the Quran tells us that "kaffirs can be killed if they attack Islam". The Prophet (pbuh) did not say - "kaffirs can be killed if they attack Muslims". Here lies the difference.<BR/><BR/>The Prophet (phuh) states that Islam translated means peace. And the Prophet (phuh) therefore said, those who are against peace (Islam) and wants to wage war, then the peace lovers (the Islams) can attack to these kaffirs (kaffir = unbelievers in peace), so that peace (Islam) can reign. <BR/><BR/>Even then, in warfare, the rules of engagement were - 1) if the enemy loses his sword while fighting you cannot attack and kill him, 2) you cannot attack women and children, and 3) you cannot loot the belongings of the vanquished.<BR/><BR/>SMZ said, people who follow their own religion and live in peace and harmony, cannot be called a Kaffir. A kaffir is one who is against "PEACE". As peace translates to Islam.<BR/><BR/>I will sit with him and get all the Quranic quotations and he has promised me an English version that he feels is the correct interpretation.<BR/><BR/>As a Muslim, he is so against Pakistan and Taliban, that you have to see it to believe it. I guess, what makes India great, is that we have far more people like SMZ that "nutheads" like you.<BR/><BR/>If nothing else, I hope, you to understand your Quran first before coming and speaking in a language and tone, which embarrasses Pakistan more.BENGAL UNDER ATTACKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01412970042016633087noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4226785600749499676.post-77875248848420644532009-02-17T21:30:00.000-08:002009-02-17T21:30:00.000-08:00BuAWas looking forward to a post by you on this to...BuA<BR/><BR/>Was looking forward to a post by you on this topic.<BR/><BR/>As you've specified, Taliban is just a hop away from Kashmir. <BR/>will summer coming up in a few months, there could be a huge increase in infiltration. <BR/><BR/>Things are not looking good for India. I hope, The fact that the nukes are less 200 miles from the Mullas, will make US shit in its pants.<BR/><BR/>This summer is gonna be a scorcher.<BR/>Whats your take for next 3 months <BR/>[which i believe will change the world]<BR/>Cheers,<BR/>clemenzaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4226785600749499676.post-6782254450558445802009-02-17T21:15:00.000-08:002009-02-17T21:15:00.000-08:00@Nazar Md = Z Harris.You state: "your Indian agent...@Nazar Md = Z Harris.<BR/><BR/>You state: "your Indian agents Baitullah mehsoud and Fazalullah are making agreements with Govt."<BR/><BR/>And then your ISI Chief Shuja Pasha calls Baitullah Mehsud as a TRUE PATRIOT.<BR/><BR/>According to your logic - Shuja Pasha will be an Indian agent too? Care to clarify your position?BENGAL UNDER ATTACKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01412970042016633087noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4226785600749499676.post-43768359241534592612009-02-17T20:43:00.000-08:002009-02-17T20:43:00.000-08:00Is there bloody INTERNET available in QANDAHAR????...Is there bloody INTERNET available in QANDAHAR???? I mean Kabul I would understand, but Qandahar? Some progress. Seems like another of the ZZH's(Piss Be Upon HIm) stooges posing as someone to reply to this blog. Anyways, the bugger has not read the article and only the remarks i think. He failed to notice that conveniently BUA has first posted the views from Pakistan and not our per say.TTV INDIAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17259099192365733217noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4226785600749499676.post-32532254444635318952009-02-17T10:57:00.000-08:002009-02-17T10:57:00.000-08:00@TTVINDIA, your Indian agents Baitullah mehsoud ...@TTVINDIA,<BR/><BR/> your Indian agents Baitullah<BR/> mehsoud and Fazalullah are <BR/> making agreements with Govt.<BR/> The Govt of PPP which is already<BR/> adoptive harami child of <BR/> Hindutva, you are mistaken, <BR/> nothing is resolved, unless the <BR/> real Taliban will approve !!<BR/> Unless your 21 consulats exist<BR/> in Afghanistan from where you <BR/> send your harami agents, India<BR/> and Baitullah Fazslullah are <BR/> on hit list of Talibans, do you think taliban will accept this drama of ANP your harami child .<BR/><BR/> Nazar Muhammed Ghulzai QandaharAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4226785600749499676.post-61844255360284610132009-02-17T08:50:00.000-08:002009-02-17T08:50:00.000-08:00TTVOf course there is more than meets the eye. The...TTV<BR/><BR/>Of course there is more than meets the eye. The military is free to work on the eastern borders.<BR/><BR/>Taliban has been tasked to take over Kashmir and plant the Pak flag in Srinagar Assembly. <BR/><BR/>All this talk of Taliban taking over Islamabad is all hogwash and is not going to happen. The Taliban is there to take over Kashmir. At least that is what the Pak Army and ISI has been paying and nurturing them for.<BR/><BR/>Now, India and US have assets embedded in these Afghan Taliban elements too. Who knows what their agenda will be?<BR/><BR/>The Indian agenda will be to scare the pants off the Americans to the real threat of nuclear bombs falling in the hands of Taliban. After all, Kahuta is not that far off from SWAT!!!<BR/><BR/>But for me, its action stations KASHMIR. First infiltration and then internal mayhem followed up with Taliban launching multiple attacks on Kashmir through POK.<BR/><BR/>And I am very sure, the Indian strategists also know of the ultimate designs. <BR/><BR/>Yet, we are unable to get bullet proof vests, thermal imagers, night vision goggles ... <BR/><BR/>RAW answers to PM, while ISI answers to the ARMY. A big difference.BENGAL UNDER ATTACKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01412970042016633087noreply@blogger.com