Friday, April 10, 2009

PAKISTAN'S SEARCH FOR A MAHDI - (PART 1 of 3)

TRIVIA: Which was the only country that objected to Pakistan's entry into the UN? Answer at the end of this article.

Pakistan is trying to manipulate the Hadiths to further its nefarious agenda. Having seen that democracy is not the binding force, the military is loathe to hand over power to civil society and watch in horror as free press undermines their illegal rule. This free press has not shown any leniency while reporting on the greed for lucre, thus taking the sheen off military rulers. Even the independent judiciary with its incessant probe into missing persons, questioning financial deals involving the military have become an anathema of sorts to the military. (Note: Pervez Musharraf made money in the Pakistan Steel Mills deal - more on that in another article.)

The Pakistan Army in turn has created the Taliban (and of course the myriad terror organizations) - the brainwashed warriors of Allah – to subdue civil society, wage irregular warfare in neighbouring countries, gain strategic depth in Afghanistan, keep the Indian Army bogged down in Kashmir and essentially keep the Pakistan Army in a position of permanent power.

While the military logic was sound, the Pakistan Army itself got deeply mired in religion. Gen Zia started the Islamization of forces and this has come a full circle today. The Pakistani forces, the ISI are today more radicalized than ever before – the distinction between Taliban and ISI is perhaps erased forever.

As I have said before, democracy gave greater voice to people and people in Pakistan voiced it to show the utter disregard the Punjabi population was having on the rest of the Pakistanis – Balochis, Sindhis etc and Sunni extremists over the Shia population. The Ahmediyya community were massacred in Pakistan and are considered non-Muslims in Pakistan.

Sufi Mohammad has categorically said (Mar 18, 2009)that democracy is not permissible under Sharia. And I have stated before that Nawaz Sharif is committed to bringing Sharia over Pakistan, if and when he is elected with a comfortable majority.

Hamid Gul mentioned in the TV interview given in the previous article: “previous wars with India were fought without the fervor of jehad. But the next war will be a real war and our warriors and mujahids who will all come together in case India attacks Pakistan, and this fight will be fought with utmost religious fervor under the aegis of a jehad.”

The role of religion in warfare is an old subject. It is well known that invoking religion gives the highest self-belief to a warrior to fight in the just war – so that he fights without care and beyond patriotism.

Pakistan is trying to manufacture jehad for its “war of wars” by further manufacturing these soldiers of Allah – the Taliban – giving them the “as has been mentioned in Hadith headgear and flag” black flag.

I had briefly mentioned the Hadith of Ghazwatul Hind – which I will carry in greater detail in part 2. In this part (part 1) I will deal with Pakistan’s real intent and the main points concerning the coming of the Mahdi.

ISLAM according to PAKISTAN.

While we have been told that Islam literally means “peace” and it is forbidden for any Muslim to forcibly convert a non-Muslim into a Muslim, yet we see that most Islamic countries are in midst of infighting, and there have been forced conversions over the ages and it continues till this day.

DEOBAND IDEOLOGY BINDS PAKISTAN ARMY, ISI, TALIBAN AND TERROR GROUPS TOGETHER:

Most of the Pakistani Military, ISI, Taliban and terror organizations belong to the Deobandi school – President Musharraf himself is a product and he deftly hides his religious fascism behind western suits.


Deoband appears to approve the use of force to spread religion
. Its syllabus states: “When the Muslims enter the enemy’s country and besiege the cities or strongholds of the infidels, it is necessary to invite them to embrace the faith, because Ibn Abbas relates of the Prophet that he never destroyed any without previously inviting them to embrace the faith. If, therefore, they embrace the faith, it is unnecessary to war with them, because that which was the design of the war is then obtained without war. The Prophet, moreover, has said we are directed to make war upon men only until such time as they shall confess, “There is no God but one God.”

Arif Mohammad Khan
goes on to write : “The Deoband’s syllabus on jihad is clearly in conflict with the Quran, the book that is believed by Muslims to be the divine word. It is based on the Hedaya, a 12th century compilation of Muslim law, not on the statute books of any Muslim country today, although in India its provisions regarding personal law are still referred to!”

Sohail Abbas, a leading Pakistani psychologist, in his recently published study based on personal interviews of 517 mujahideen arrested in Afghanistan and later lodged in two Pakistani jails, asserts that “the figures on rural/urban jihadis become even more interesting as all the jihadis, barring just a few, belonged to the DEOBANDI school of thought”.

So what is Deoband teaching the Talibs? After all, this is the source – the fountain of knowledge and succor for the militants.

MUST NOTE AND REMEMBER: Jamaat-i-Islaami - JeI (FOUNDED BY DEOBAND) initially opposed the creation of Pakistan for fear that Muhhamad Ali Jinnah was creating another secular state like Turkey, though they eventually accepted the partition.

Note: For all his love for Ataturk, Musharraf is a product of Deoband and one must also remember that Musharraf’s candidacy was forwarded to Gen Zia by Jamaat I Islami (he was the blue eyed fundamentalist to the JeI – and he can never espouse to be a secularist – and if one views his tenure one sees that the militants and extremists only gained in strength in his tenure. If he did not target the Red Mosque under intense pressure, he would never have been target of assassins).

Ray Harris wrote an excellent piece “The myth of Islam as a religion of peace": and makes the following points:

Muslims have said that 'Islam' means peace, or that Islam is a religion of peace. Unfortunately this is just plain wrong.

Islam is derived from the Arabic aslama, which means 'surrender' (to the will of Allah). Muslim means 'one who has surrendered to the will of Allah'. And unfortunately, violence, under certain conditions, is a legitimate means to affect that surrender.

In saying that Islam means peace Islamic apologists are simply indulging in word play in order to put as positive a spin on things as they can. It is an attempt to argue that Islam promotes non-violence. As we will see such a peace is only available to one who has first surrendered to Allah and it is denied to those who refuse to surrender. Mohammed would sign his treaty offers with the words, aslem taslam, 'surrender and you will be safe'.

The Taliban were the students of Deobandi madari. Salafi money has gone to support the madari and the war in Afghanistan saw a coalition of Salafi and Deobandi jihadi.

Sayyid Mawdudi, a scholar of Deobandism and founder of the Pakistan party Jemaat e-Islamiya (party of Islam). He puts it this way:

Islam wants the whole earth and does not content itself with only a part thereof. It wants and requires the entire inhabited world. It does not want this in order that one nation dominates the earth and monopolizes its sources of wealth, after having taken them away from one or more other nations. No, Islam wants and requires the earth in order that the human race altogether can enjoy the concept and practical program of human happiness, by means of which God has honoured Islam and put it above the other religions and laws. In order to realize this lofty desire, Islam wants to employ all forces and means that can be employed for bringing about a universal all-embracing revolution. It will spare no efforts for the achievement of this supreme objective. This far-reaching struggle that continuously exhausts all forces and this employment of all possible means are called jihad.

Hamid Gul, Gen Pervez Musharraf, Gen Zia ul Haq, the Taliban and terror groups like Laskhar e Taiba (LeT), Lashkar e Jhangvi (LeJ), Jaish e Mohammad (JeM) and TNSM of Sufi Mohammad are all followers of Salafi / Deobandi school of thought.

Hamid Gul very recently stated: (Mar 28th 2009) “We should be ready to lead the world and for this, we need ideological educational institutions," he said, maintaining that there were lot of schools pushing students against the ideology of Islam and Pakistan.

In such circumstances, there was need for ideological institutions across Pakistan, he underlined. He said Pakistan was not formed for economic gains or other petty reasons rather it was formed to lead the world after providing a practical and workable Islamic model to govern people. He said his aim of life was to promote this idea and he was not retired or tired and the enemies of Pakistan knew it well. "Pakistan and Islam are tied to each other," he concluded.

How will Pakistan lead the world? How is Pakistan and Islam tied to each other that will bring this about?

The first steps have been accomplished. Taliban has been created. It is being armed and trained to fight wars in all terrain. Divisions of Pakistan army regulars are “deserting” (officially) and joining the ranks of Taliban or various terrorist organizations (LeT etc).

Second comes the religious indoctrination that goes before they become warriors – that is being provided by the Deobandi madrassas
.

Third is being part of “The Holy Book” by erasing their atrocities under the garb of “The Holy War”.


In this part let us look at the End Times & Islam and coming of the Mahdi.

MAHDI
:

Mahdi is one who leads people to truth. He will have 3 basic tasks.

1. Overthrow of philosophical system that deny God and supports Atheism

2. Putting an end to practices that are not part of the religion but are portrayed so.

3. Revealing true Islamic moralities based on Quran starting with his own nation.


Note: Interesting if you see the following:

a. Attempt by Taliban to enforce Sharia where it rules (Afghanistan it tried and now Swat, Buner and gradually to the whole of Pakistan)

b. Mahdi is a more user-friendly term for the Shias than for the Sunnis, yet Pakistan saw recent cases of “false prophets”

c. FALSE PROPHET, YUSUF ALI KAZZAB, (a must read article for those who have not and see the intense hatred it created if you see the comments) who was arrested and sentenced to death by the Lahore High Court and then murdered in Kot Lakhpat jail by a fellow prisoner - this guy Zaid Hamid was known as ZAID ZAMAN at that time and was the KHALIFAH of that Kazzab.


d. Mr ZZ Hamid has been promoted to a position of "security analyst" with ISPR. Now, ISPR -Inter Services Public Relations Directorate is the official mouthpiece of the Pakistan Army. If ZZ Hamid speaks - one can assume he is speaking on behalf and with the blessings of Pakistan Army.

e. Interesting Zaid Hamid talks of greater Pakistan which consists of parts of India.


BuA: (my comments I write as BuA – Bengal under Attack) : Personally I feel Pakistan has abandoned the search for Mahdi and it is a controversial subject and was proving difficult to enforce. The followers of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad – self professed Mahdi, known as Ahmeddiyas face persecution in Pakistan. The last one – Yusuf Kazzab – met with a gory death. Yet Kazzab’s khalifah – Zaid Hamid is also has a website: www.brasstacks.pk.

However, to better understand what was going on in the minds of Pakistani Generals – it might be better to write this article and then go to the next part (Part 2) which they are implementing now. The “famed warriors of Allah wearing black turbans and with black flags rising from the land of Khorasan.” The search for the leader of this famed warriors is on.

Hence what are the incidents that fortell the coming of the Mahdi?

1. The halting of the Euphrates
.
God’s messenger said, “The Hour will not come to pass before the river Euphrates dries up to unveil the mountain of gold for which people will fight. 99 out of 100 will die fighting and every man amongst them will say “Perhaps, I may be the one to be alive.”

Explained by Islamic scholars as : In 1975, a dam was built that cut the flow of Euphrates. Because of this, the land became as valuable as gold. Also as per satellite photos there are piles of gold in Euphrates’ river bed. Many people lost their lives fighting for this land as well as well gold in the river bed.

BuA : This analysis is so far fetched that it defies logic. However, how are we going to tell the foot soldiers the virtues of logic. Imagine this logic being given in a feverish sermon by Hafeez Saeed to his LeT cadres – I can bet my bottom dollar all of them will be sitting enthralled at his oratory and will believe every single word. Hence, from next point on, I am not giving any analysis but asking the reader (you) to place yourself as the brain washed, blinkers on Taliban listening in.

2. Two eclipses in Ramadan before the Mahdi emerges (both solar and lunar)

The occurrence of two eclipses before Ramadan is indeed a rare phenomena. Yet, it has occurred twice :

1981 : 17th July – Lunar eclipse and 31st July Solar eclipse
1982: 6th July – Lunar eclipse and 20th July Solar eclipse.

3. Before He comes, a comet spreading light will come from the East. The birth of that star will follow the eclipse of Sun & Moon.

Muslim scholars – Haley’s comet fit the bill and it travelled from East to west.

4. People will go to Hajj with no Imam at their head. When they descend into Mina, the tribes will savage each other like dogs and there will be great wars, to such an extent that feet will be covered in a lake of blood. There will be great sin right by Kaaba.

Muslim scholars point to Nov 21, 1979 when over 1000 people died during Hajj.
BuA: The group that took over the mosque was led by Saudi preacher Juhayman Al-Utaybi, a former corporal in the Saudi National Guard, and consisted of several hundred gunmen from many countries. It had the apocalyptic vision of a global clash of civilizations that would lead to the triumph of true Islam and the end of the world as we know it. The group abhorred the Saudi state and other Arab regimes as infidel, and bitterly objected to any Western presence in the Arabian Peninsula. The battle for the Grand Mosque started on November 20, 1979—at the first dawn of Islam's year 1400—and lasted precisely two weeks.

Saudi troops refused to fight in the holy shrine—and for that the royal family had to promise the clerics that it would reverse the slow modernization that had been occurring in the kingdom up until then. The royals fulfilled their promise. In the weeks after the siege ended, female newscasters were taken off television; the enforcement of the ban on alcohol became much more severe; and vast amounts of oil money started flowing into the clerics' Wahhabi proselytizing campaign around the world.

(Was this therefore stage managed to fulfill one of the prophecies?)

5. A fire will engulf you. That fire is currently extinguished in the valley called Berehut. People will be enfolded in that fire with terrible suffering. That fire will burn and destroy people and belongings. 8 days it will rage and the heat of the night will be fiercer than that of the morning. There will be lots of thunder and fire will reach the sky.

Muslim scholars: Berehut is the name of an oil well. And indeed it was set on fire during the Iraq Kuwait conflict and the fire did burn for 8 days and reach the sky with thunderous noise.

6. Before the appearance of Mahdi, widespread slaughter will come to pass and great strife will be seen, where innocents will be massacred.

Muslim scholars cite the death and destruction of life in WW I & II.

7. Inhabitants of Egypt will kill their rulers & abandon his commands.

1981: Anwar Sadat (Egypt) killed

BuA: The two eclipses also happened for the first time in 1981. Was this a coincidence or a forced occurrence ?

8. Pity poor Taliqan – a region in Afghanistan – that at that place are treasures of GOD. But they are not GOLD & SILVER but consists of people who have recognized GOD as they should have.

BuA: And voila – TALIBAN are born with the help of ISI & Pakistan ARMY .


Narrated by Hazrat Abdullah bin Masood (RA) that Prophet (SAW) said:

A Nation will come from the east with black flags and they will ask for some “Khair” (because of them being needy) but the people will not give them, then, they will fight and win over those people (who did not give them what they asked). Now the people will give them what they asked for but they will not accept it until they will hand it over to a person from my progeny who will fill this earth with justice just as it was previously filled with oppression and tyranny. So if anyone of you finds this nation (i.e. from the east with black flag) then you must join them even if you have to crawl over ice.

Geographically there are only three Muslim countries, today, precisely east of Saudi Arabia i.e. Iran, Afghanistan and Pakistan. So it becomes easy to establish that whoever this army of black flags is, it belongs to one or more of these three countries.

BuA: Voila – The war flag of Taliban is black.

Pakistan Army & ISI are the creators of Taliban and various other terror groups like LeT. They are children and hence slave to the doctrine of Deobandi teachings that talks of the coming of Mahdi, Ghazwatul Hind, Khorasan and the final wars. And as stated above, as per Deoband: Islam wants the whole earth and does not content itself with only a part thereof. And reiterating the point that as per the latest interview of Hamid Gul: “Pakistan was not formed for economic gains or other petty reasons rather it was formed to lead the world after providing a practical and workable Islamic model to govern people. He said his aim of life was to promote this idea and he was not retired or tired and the enemies of Pakistan knew it well. "Pakistan and Islam are tied to each other.”

And US just cannot state the contacts ISI has with Taliban or even the terror organizations should cease. There are deep religious ties and Hadiths and DEOBAND schools that tie them up. It is a dangerous bond and a belief of “weak” Hadiths, but a belief that cannot be wished away.

Pakistan is blaming India now on the Lahore attacks on Sri Lankans. And credible reports are pouring in that Sirajuddin Haqqani network is about to take over Islamabad in concert with Baitullah Mehsud.

One cannot get closer than Haqqani network for the ISI. The best relation that ISI has is with the Haqqnani network. And if Taliban takeover of Pakistan is going to be orchestrated by the Haqqani network – then it is ISI driven. SIMPLE !

Pak Army Chief Gen. Ashfaq Kiyani is on tape referring to Maulvi Jalaluddin Haqqani’s Taliban as a “strategic asset.”

NSA started picking up intercepts that Pakistani raid parties were giving advance warning to the Talibans of their arrival. “It was like, ‘Hey, we’re going to hit your place in a few days, so if anyone important is there, you might want to tell them to scram.’” But, leave a few weapons around, Haqqani’s operatives were told, so that it would not look as if the Pakistani Army had come up with nothing. They needed a few trophies to bring back. “Oh, and they warned them that there would be a lot of smoke bombs and stuff, but they shouldn’t worry too much.”

Its not Taliban that is taking over Pakistan. It is Hamid Gul, ex-ISI stalwarts taking over Pakistan facilitated by Pakistan Army. The Pakistan Army is hardly giving any resistance to the “alleged threat of Taliban”. All stage managed !

Logically the next target should be the judiciary – after all Sharia cannot be enforced otherwise. The ISI-Pak Army-Taliban clique will want Sharia in Pakistan and they have Nawaz Sharif ready to do their bidding.

REPEAT NOTE: THE DREAM TO MAKE PAKISTAN INTO A STRICT ISLAMIC STATE WAS AGREED UPON BY SHARIF AND BROKERED BY HAMID GUL & OSAMA BIN LADEN.

NAWAZ SHARIF TO OSAMA: I LOVE JEHAD ! (CLICK HERE TO READ ARTICLE)

NAWAZ TRIED IMPOSING SHARIA IN 1998:

Pakistan can thank a few dogged senators in 1998 who blocked Nawaz Sharif’s 15th amendment bill which was to make Sharia Pakistan’s supreme law. Read this article in Jang newspaper - click here.

Excerpts from the above Jang article:

1. The introduction to the 15th amendment reads: "Whereas sovereignty over the entire universe belongs to Almighty Allah alone and the authority which He has delegated to the State of Pakistan through its people for being exercised through their chosen representatives within the limits prescribed by Him is a sacred trust."

2. The Holy Quran and Sunnah of the Holy Prophet (peace be upon him) shall be the supreme law of Pakistan.


When Hamid Gul, in the same interview cited above (Mar 28, 2009) states: No super power can change destiny - I hope you all get a sense of what destiny he is talking about.

Many readers have told me that Hamid Gul is a fruitcake - trust me the intelligence communities think of him as a very capable "fruitcake".

Mainstream media is going apoplectic with stories of Taliban encircling Islamabad and about to take over Pakistan. No where I am yet to see the simple logic - that this is all being orchestrated by Paksitan Army.

And as we speak, NEWSWEEK is breaking the story about BAITULLAH MEHSUD's ISI connections and hands of renegade ISI members (re: HAMID GUL & Co) in helping Mehsud assassinate Benazir Bhutto. Click here to read the story.

Next article on Ghazwatul Hind.

Answer to trivia: AFGHANISTAN.

Based on its objections to the Durand border, Afghanistan cast the sole vote against Pakistan's entry into the United Nations. From 1893 on, British India's and later Pakistan's policies toward Afghanistan have been greatly influenced by anxiety over the Afghans' claim to a ''Pashtunistan'' that would unite the Pashtuns of both countries and give Afghanistan easier access to the Indian Ocean.

30 comments:

Anonymous said...

U mean the Deobandis (Pak Army + ISI + Taliban + LeT) are embarking on a "journey" based on Hadiths !

Far fetched but interesting - as there is logic.

Let's see where you take this. Waiting for Part 2.

S,K. said...

Brilliant BuA - again. To Anon above, not far fetched if you see the sequence of events unfolding within Pakistan.

It is to enforce SHARIA all over Pakistan. That, I feel, is the immediate objective.

Kannan said...

Americans' strategies are based on the precept that humans(rulers) are rational beings.i.e. financing Taliban is suicidal..therefore does not make any sense..
But alas..Humans are not rational beings..
I think the $25 million dollar reward for justice was dead on arrival should have told them something..
But I guess Americans wants to learn the hard way...like they always do..

BENGAL UNDER ATTACK said...

Before someone calls me something unpalatable, I want to put some bullet points here:

1. The coming of Mahdi is given in different Hadiths: TRUE

2. Majority of Pak Army officers, ISI heads, Taliban, LeT cadres, local police force are students of DEOBANDI schools or influenced by DEOBANDI school of thought: TRUE

3. Taliban was created by ISI: True

4. Haqqani network closest to ISI: True

5. Nawaz Sharif did meet Osama and promised to promulgate Sharia all over Pakistan, and this was brokered by Hamid Gul: True

6. Hamid Gul talks of Pakistan leading the world in religious renaissance. Islam and Pakistan are intertwined. And he is the Godfather of Taliban and LeT: True

7. Taliban is encircling Pakistan and is present in all major towns. And the military is not doing anything major to flush them out. Swat fell almost too easily: True

8. In Karachi's Defense Housing Area, out of the 42 mosques present, 40 are controlled by the Taliban. And this is considered a posh area. And this information is: True

9. Does Pakistan Army want Sharia in Pakistan? Answer is YES. Gen ZIA started the Islamization of forces keeping this in mind. And today where Pakistan Army ends and where Taliban or LeT starts - the lines have blurred. : TRUE

Hence - COMPLICITY at every level from the ARMED FORCES.

ISMA said...

I am not in favor of forcefully converting someone to Islam which our beloved Prophet Muhammad (P.B.U.H) never did and it is forbidden in the Quran.

ISI (AND CIA)created taliban during the soviet rule that is true but those were the 'REAL' taliban and they fought the real jihad in the sense you can take up arms if a non-Muslim country attacks you and takes over your country. The TTP are the fakes who kill innocent people.

YES, Pakistan was made in the name of Islam. Muhammad Ali Jinnah even said during the opening of State bank of Pakistan to adopt the Islamic economic system and not the western. When Allama Iqbal gave the idea of Pakistan what he had in mind was something like the 'Vatican', the orders regarding Islam come from Pakistan, Zia ul Haq was trying to fulfill this.

Zaid Hamid endorsing Yusuf Ali Kazzab is false, read this - http://pakistankakhudahafiz.wordpress.com/the-zaid-hamid-controversy/

One more thing Mahdi's army will be non- arab's and there number will be equal to the number of people in the battle of Badr 313 people. More on Mahdi http://www.awaitedmahdi.com/index.php

Few things you mentioned are Far fetched!

ISMA said...

One more thing Benazir in one of her interviews said Osama bin laden is dead since 2002 but it isn't given much publicity by the media
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnychOXj9Tg

BENGAL UNDER ATTACK said...

ISMA,

U write that few things I have mentioned are far fetched. Probably, but is it logical and flowing from one premise to the other. If not, you are free to point out the areas and debate.

I was seeing the webpage of one of the commentators and they have gone far into the opaque and the last article will be slanderous to you. It is titled: DEMOTING ISLAM'S RELIGION STATUS. Link: www.citizenwarrior.com.

However, I hope to present a balanced view here - from left, right and center.

Anonymous said...

The breaking news of Mehsud having ISI links is only seen on Indian Channels. Anyone with common sense knows that Mehsud is a foreign agent CIA/RAW who is killing innocent Pakistani civilians.

Anyway even if you are in the support of US attacking Pakistan, you (Indians) are the next one going down, they couldn't even control talibans and sent there fake talibans to Pakistan, now if Pakistan is God forbid attacked the fake talibans who the CIA/RAW (Indian embassy in Kandahar & Jalaabad) has been training are going to come to India (the next safe haven).

Is Pakitan's ISI really double dealing? http://www.khaleejtimes.com/DisplayArticle.asp?xfile=data/opinion/2009/March/opinion_March118.xml&section=opinion&col=

I have 'A LOT' of relatives in army and they are Brigadiers and colonels some even in ISI and none of them follow the Deobandis!

P.S: The word Islam is derived from "Salema": peace, purity, submission and obedience. In the religious sense, Islam means submission to the will of God and obedience to His law. Violence is not allowed in Islam and who resort to violence is not favored by Allah as Allah has said in the Quran He does not like transgressors. Here is the link as to on what condition can the Jihad be done - http://www.hweb.org.uk/index2.php?option=com_content&do_pdf=1&id=18

Anonymous said...

To Anon above:

After 26/11 when Baitullah Mehsud stated that he is willing to fight alongside Pakistan Army against India, should India attack, the Pakistan ISI Chief Shuja Pasha is on record saying:

BAITULLAH MEHSUD IS A TRUE PATRIOT.

Now, even if we take the theory that Baitullah Mehsud is a CIA/RAW agent, do you think that suddenly Mehsud was overcome with a wave of patriotism and then this "sudden patriotism" was given a tag of a true patriot by the intelligence chief.

Anonymous said...

To Paki Anon @ April 12, 2009 4:32 AM

"Anyway even if you are in the support of US attacking Pakistan, you (Indians) are the next one going down, they couldn't even control talibans and sent there fake talibans to Pakistan, now if Pakistan is God forbid attacked the fake talibans who the CIA/RAW (Indian embassy in Kandahar & Jalaabad) has been training are going to come to India (the next safe haven)."

By all logic and intelligence coming in - the different factions of Taliban have united. Hence what are you talking about? Get out of the fake Taliban syndrome - Muslims have attacked Muslims before (Sunnis on Shias and even Sunnis on Sunnis).

"I have 'A LOT' of relatives in army and they are Brigadiers and colonels some even in ISI and none of them follow the Deobandis!"

Good for you! I do not think the article suggests that Pak Army and ISI is infested by Deobandis 100%.

All that is bogus about the conditions of waging jehad. Ask any non-Muslim and he will tell you what he thinks of jehad now ... So stop giving us spin on islam means peace and all that crap .... It does not and you know it and I do too !

Anonymous said...

Whats the difference between Modi, Advani and Masood ? They are all killing innocent people. Taliban is against west, thats why they are demons and BJP is not. Any sane person will know they are two sides of the same coin.

Anonymous said...

BJP and Masood?

Two sides of the same coin?

Well, here in India many might still link Modi but not BJP as a whole. And at the end of the day, Modi has taken Gujrat far ahead on the road of progress. Far far ahead than many of the so called states run by the enlightened "secularists" who having to pander to vote bank politics are dragging down India.

The latest would be Samajwadi Party - trying to pander to the growing Muslim population it writes in its manifesto that it wants to do away with computers and English as the means for education in schools. What it should do is to go for one child policy to save India and INdia's precious resources from "locusts" who are trying to replicate at an alarming rate to skew the harmony in host countries in which they live.

You are free to assume the meaning of "locusts".....

Anonymous said...

BuA:

I had absolutely no idea that Afghanistan voted against Pakistan's entry into the UN.

Did not know that the enmity or suspicions ran so deep. Makes sense that Pakistan would go out of the way to create Taliban for strategic depth and silence the true aspirations of Afghan people forever through brute force of the Taliban

By giving it a religious cloak as your article suggests, would make Pakistan the torchbearer of Islam in the region thus erasing the Pashtun dream of a national identity forever.

Very very interesting ....

Anonymous said...

To ISMA, with due respect to your rather logical arguments, here are some info about your dear prophet with regards to forced conversions. Either you are not well read or you are garnishing scum.

Quran:
Sura (9:29):"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued." Suras 9 and 5 are the last "revelations" that Muhammad handed down.

Hadith
Sahih Muslim (1:33):The Messenger of Allah said: "I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there is no god but Allah, that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah..." This is the Shahada, or profession of faith in Islam.

Bukhari (8:387) - "Allah's Apostle said, 'I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah.' And if they say so, pray like our prayers, face our Qibla and slaughter as we slaughter, then their blood and property will be sacred to us and we will not interfere with them except legally and their reckoning will be with Allah.'"

Ibn Ishaq 959 - Then the apostle sent Khalid bin Walid… to the Banu al-Harith and ordered him to invite them to Islam three days before he attacked them. If they accepted then he was to accept it from them, and if they declined he was to fight them. So Khalid set out and came to them, and sent out riders in all directions inviting the people to Islam, saying, “If you accept Islam you will be safe.”

Bukhari (59:643) - "Testify that none has the right to be worshipped except Allah, or else I will chop off your neck!" Words of a military leader that Muhammad sent on an expedition to destroy the local religion in Yemen.



Commentaries about the peaceful Muhammad:



1. Ibn Hazm and al-Baydawi
In volume 8, part 11, on page 196 Ibn Hazm remarks decisively:


"The prophet Muhammad did not accept from the Arab heathens less than Islam or the sword. This is compulsion of faith. No compulsion in faith (or religion) applies only to Christians or Jews because they are not to be forced to embrace the religion. They have the option either to embrace Islam, the sword, or to pay the poll-tax. In this case they can keep their own faith. It was truly said on the authority of the apostle of God that there is no compulsion in the faith.
"When the sacred months elapse, kill those who associate other gods with God, wherever you find them" (Surah 9:5).



2. In Al Road Al Anf (part 4, p. 240), Ibn Hisham indicates:

Abu Bakr (the daily companion of Muhammad and among the first who believed in him) used to converse with Ibn Abu Rafi al-Ta'i and to say to him:
"God—to whom belong the might and exaltation—has sent Muhammad with this religion for which he fought until people entered this religion by hook or by crook."



3. Ibn Hisham, "The Biography of Muhammad" (Part 4, Page 11)

"When Muhammad and his followers were about to attack Mecca to subjugate it to Islam, his adherents arrested Abu Sufyan, one of Mecca's inhabitants. They brought him to Muhammad. Muhammad told him: "Woe to you, O Abu Sufyan. Is it not time for you to realize that there is no God but the only God?" Abu Sufyan answered: "I do believe that." Muhammad then said to him: "Woe to you, O Abu Sufyan. Is it not time for you to know that I am the apostle of God?" Abu Sufyan answered: "By God, O Muhammad, of this there is doubt in my soul." The 'Abbas who was present with Muhammad told Abu Sufyan: "Woe to you! Accept Islam and testify that Muhammad is the apostle of God before your neck is cut off by the sword." Thus he professed the faith of Islam and became a Muslim."


4. "The Biography of the Apostle", part 4 page 134, Ibn Hisham:

"Muhammad sent Khalid Ibn al-Walid to the tribe of the children of Haritha and told him: 'Call them to accept Islam before you fight with them. If they respond, accept that from them, but if they refuse, fight them.' Khalid told them: 'Accept Islam and spare your life.' They entered Islam by force. He brought them to Muhammad. Muhammad said to them: 'Had you not accepted Islam I would have cast your heads under your feet"

(refer to page 134, and also see Al Road Al Anf, part 4, pp. 217, 218. You will find the same incident.)



5. "The Biography of the Prophet" (part 3, p. 113), Ibn Hisham relates this episode:

"Ali Ibn Abi Talib encountered a man called 'Umru and told him, 'I indeed invite you to Islam.' 'Umru said, 'I do not need that.' 'Ali said, 'Then I call you to fight.' (This was the same policy Muhammad used with those who rejected his invitation.) 'Umru answered him, 'What for my nephew? By God, I do not like to kill you.' 'Ali said, 'But, by God, I love to kill you"' (see Al Road Al Anf part 3, p. 263).


6. "The Biography of the Prophet", page 384:

"Islamic law demands that before Muslims start fighting infidels (unbelievers), they first deliver the message of Islam to them. It was proven that the prophet never fought people before he called them to embrace Islam first. He used to command his generals to do so also."


7. "The Methodology of Islamic Law", Dr. Muhammad al-Amin says (page 17):

"God had made it clear to us that (we should) call for acceptance of Islam first, then wage war. It is not admissible to wage war before extending the invitation to embrace Islam first, as the Qur'an says. 'We verily sent our messenger with clear proofs and revealed to them the scripture and the balance, that mankind may observe right measure, and he revealed iron, wherein is mighty power and uses for mankind and that Allah (God) may know him who helps Him and his messengers—Allah is strong, Almighty"' (Surah Iron 57:25).


8. Ibn Hashim's "al-Rawd al-Anaf" which is the most famous book about Muhammad's life (pp. 50, 51):

"No two religions are to exist in the Arab Peninsula" .


9. Ibn Hisham Al Sohaily
In his book, "The Biography of the Apostle" (Al Road Al Anf, part 4, p. 201)


Ibn Hisham repeats the above-mentioned quotation and adds,
"The poll-tax is to be paid by the Christian or the Jew forcibly and submissively. It is to spare their lives; that is, they pay it in lieu of being killed because if they did not pay it, they would be killed unless they intended to become Muslims, then they would be exempted from paying it."




...you want some more? i got lots more of hadith verses and independant commentaries by respected Islamic scholars.

Hopefully BuA too can learn a thing or two from my fruitful post about the truth of the conversion myth in Islam.

I have opened people's eyes about many aspects of Islam, be it urine drinking or about the myth of peace.

I hope this goes noticed too.

Anonymous said...

TO Anon above:

Excellent. Where do u get such gems from? Are u a student of history?

Anonymous said...

For more info on the Prophet and his life and religion... please visit this website.... its an eye opener

www.thereligionofpeace.com

Anonymous said...

Mehsud saying he'll fight alongside Pakistan to fight India was just a gimmick trying to prove he's a loyal Pakistani, when actually he's a RAW/CIA agent.

Mullah Omer has openly stated he doesn't know who these fake taliban are in Pakistan and he even said they are spoiling there name, we don't have time off from fighting US soldiers why would we attack Pakistan.

“India is using Afghan soil to destabilize Pakistan and Afghan security agencies are unable to stop Indian intervention due to absence of centralized government mechanism”, says Afghan Government’s Advisor, Ehsanullah Aryanzai on sidelines of Pak-Afgan Parliamentary Jirga at a local hotel.
“Now, we have to move practically and take action instead of merely relying upon verbal assurances and intentions,” he said.
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Anonymous 10:29 pm
Quran:
Sura (9:29):"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued." Suras 9 and 5 are the last "revelations" that Muhammad handed down.

Anonymous "SCUMBAG", you don't even understand the meaning of the verse and go around like you have a degree in Islam, and have read the whole Holy Quran. Here is extended meaning of the verse -

Though the people of the Book professed to believe in Allah and the Hereafter, in fact they believed in neither. For only that person really believes in Allah who acknowledges Him as the only One God and the only One Lord, and does not associate with Him any other, whatsoever, in His Being, in His characteristics, in His rights and in His powers and authority. But according to this definition of shirk both the Christians and the Jews were guilty of shirk as has been made plain in the verses that follow: therefore their profession of belief in Allah was meaningless. Likewise they did not really believe in the Hereafter, in spite of the fact that they believed in Resurrection. For it is not enough: one must also believe that on that Day absolute justice will be done on the basis of one's belief and actions. One should also believe that no ransom and no expiation and no 'spiritual' relationships with any 'saint' shall be of any avail on that Day. It is absolutely meaningless to believe in the Hereafter without this. And the Jews and the Christians had polluted their faiths because they believed that such things would protect them against justice on that Day.

*27 The second reason why Jihad should be waged against them is drat they did not adopt the Law sent down by Allah through His Messenger.

*28 This is the aim of Jihad with the Jews and the Christians and it is not to force them to become Muslims and adopt the `Islamic Way of Life.' They should be forced to pay Jizyah in order to put an end to their independence and supremacy so that they should not remain rulers and sovereigns in the land. These powers should be wrested from them by the followers of the true Faith, who should assume the sovereignty and lead others towards the Right Way, while they should become their subjects and pay jizyah. jizyah is paid by those non-Muslims who live as Zimmis (proteges) in an Islamic State, in exchange for the security and protection granted to them by it. This is also symbolical of the fact that they themselves agree to live in it as its subjects. This is the significance of "..... they Pay jizyah with their own hands," that is, "with full consent so that they willingly become the subjects of the Believers, who perform the duty of the vicegerents of AIIah on the earth. "
At first this Command applied only to the Jews and the Christians. Then the Holy Prophet himself extended it to the Zoroastrians also. After his death, his Companions unanimously applied this rule to all the non-Muslim nations outside Arabia.
This is jizyah " of which the Muslims have been feeling apologetic during the last two centuries of their degeneration and there are still some people who continue to apologize for it. But the Way of Allah is straight and clear and does trot stand in need of any apology to the rebels against AIIah. Instead of offering apologies on behalf of Islam for the measure that guarantees security of life, property and faith to those who choose to live under its protection, the Muslims should feel proud of such a humane law as that of jizyah. For it is obvious that the maximum freedom that can be allowed to those who do not adopt the Way of AIIah but choose to tread the ways of error is that they should be tolerated to lead the life they like. That is why the Islamic State offers them protection, if they agree to live as its Zimmis by paying jizyah, but it cannot allow that they should remain supreme rulers in any place and establish wrong ways and impose them on others. As this state of things inevitably produces chaos and disorder, it is the duty of the true Muslims to exert their utmost to bring to an end their wicked rule and bring them under a righteous order.
As regards the question, "What do the non-Muslims get in return for Jizyah " it may suffice to say that it is the price of the freedom which the Islamic State allows them in following their erroneous ways, while living in the jurisdiction of Islam and enjoying its protection. The money thus collected is spent in maintaining the righteous administration that gives them the freedom and protects their rights. This also serves as a yearly reminder to them that they have been deprived of the honour of paying Zakat in the Way of Allah, and forced to pay jizyah instead as a price of following the ways of error.


One more thing urine drinking muslims?? Hindus drink that so STFU!
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Here is a verse of Quran with meaning Prohibiting forceful conversion -

(2:256) There is no compulsion and coercion in regard to religion. The right thing has been made distinct from the wrong thing: now whoever rejects taghut and believes in Allah has taken a firm support that never gives way.

*285. Din here signifies the belief about God embodied in the above 'Verse of the Throne' and the entire system of life which rests upon it. The verse means that the system of Islam, embracing belief, morals and practical conduct cannot be imposed by compulsion. These are not things to which people can be yoked forcibly.

*286. Literally taghut means anvone who exceeds his legitimate limits. In the Qur'anic terminology, however, it refers to the creature who exceeds the limits of his creatureliness and arrogates to himself godhead and lordship. There are three stages of man's transgression and rebellion against God. The first stage is that one acknowledges in principle that obedience to God is right, but disregards it in practice. This is fisq (transgression). The second stage is that one not only disobeys but also rejects obedience in principle, and thus either refuses to become the subject of anyone at all or adopts someone other than God as the object of service and devotion. This is kufr (infidelity). The third stage is that one not only rebels against one's Lord but also imposes one's own will (in disregard of the Will of God - Ed.) on God's world and God's creatures. Anyone who reaches such a point is termed taghut and no one can be a true believer in God unless the authority of such a taghut (evil one) is rejected.

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SO IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANY KNOWLEDGE OF ISLAM IT IS BETTER TO KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT PARAPHRASING MARK TWAIN “better to stay silent and let others think you’re a fool, then open your mouth (or write a response) and remove all doubt.”

Anonymous said...

Anon above,

It's because people will dispute the Quranic verses to the scenario that best fits i have provided commentaries by recognizable Islamic scholars. Why not shout n scream to that too? Why not dispute the several other points I have given? For example the one by Ibn Hazm and al-Baydawi or Ibn hisham. If the Quran states that forced conversion is wrong, then did the great Prophet Muhammad violate the rule of God? Then he is also a sinner. A sinner who deserves more cartoons drawn up about him!

Remember, u r Sunni Muslim I assume, and the Hadith is considered the second most reverred text after the Quran. In many cases the Hadiths are considered the primary reference when not covered in the Quran. The Quran is the law of God while the Hadiths are considered authentic, first hand accounts on Muhammad's life by his companions. Hadith verses have been provided that support Muhammad practiced forced conversion. So did the Prophet violate the Quranic verses you provided? Or are the Hadiths or the Quran wrong? Or perpahs I have the answer: Islam itself is wrong.

To recap, here are the Hadith verses I quoted:

Bukhari (59:643)

"Testify that none has the right to be worshipped except Allah, or else I will chop off your neck!" Words of a military leader that Muhammad sent on an expedition to destroy the local religion in Yemen. Sahih Muslim (1:33) The Messenger of Allah said: "I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there is no god but Allah, that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah..." This is the Shahada, or profession of faith in Islam.Bukhari (8:387)"Allah's Apostle said, 'I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah.' And if they say so, pray like our prayers, face our Qibla and slaughter as we slaughter, then their blood and property will be sacred to us and we will not interfere with them except legally and their reckoning will be with Allah.'Ibn Ishaq 959Then the apostle sent Khalid bin Walid… to the Banu al-Harith and ordered him to invite them to Islam three days before he attacked them. If they accepted then he was to accept it from them, and if they declined he was to fight them. So Khalid set out and came to them, and sent out riders in all directions inviting the people to Islam, saying, “If you accept Islam you will be safe.”The notion was simple. Muhammad did not attack weaker people as long as they accepted Islam. or else he would chop them up (Bukhari 59:643). So it means the weaker side has to embrace Islam as a precondition to being safe. So what do you call that? In common law if I threaten to kill you or sign a contract, in court, will it be a valid contrat? No. Because it was a forced consent. A more well used word is threatening or blackmail. Now isn't that completely in line of forced conversion? You talk about pee drinking for Hindus? So what if I showed you that it is, that Muhammad avocated it as a health tonic:


Bukhari Volume 7:71:590Narrated Anas: The climate of Medina did not suit some people, so the Prophet ordered them to follow his shepherd, i.e. his camels, and drink their milk and urine (as a medicine). So they followed the shepherd that is the camels and drank their milk and urine till their bodies became healthy. Then they killed the shepherd and drove away the camels. When the news reached the Prophet, he sent some people in their pursuit. When they were brought, he cut their hands and feet and their eyes were branded with heated pieces of iron.Bukhari 8:82:797“Narrated Anas bin Malik: A group of people from 'Ukl (or 'Uraina) tribe—but I think he said that they were from 'Ukl came to Medina and (they became ill, so) the Prophet ordered them to go to the herd of (Milch) she-camels and told them to go out and drink the camels' urine and milk (as a medicine). So they went and drank it, and when they became healthy, they killed the shepherd and drove away the camels. This news reached the Prophet early in the morning, so he sent (some) men in their pursuit and they were captured and brought to the Prophet before midday. He ordered to cut off their hands and legs and their eyes to be branded with heated iron pieces and they were thrown at Al-Harra, and when they asked for water to drink, they were not given water. (Abu Qilaba said, "Those were the people who committed theft and murder and reverted to disbelief after being believers (Muslims), and fought against Allah and His Apostle")Any explanations for the above mr. know-all-about-Islam? Why not for a change you show me some SOLID references by scholars of the time that supports your interpretation?

Because whatever I stated is not my own. I quoted 9 different contexts of commentaries about Muhammad's conversion venture using force.

(p.s. According to Ibn Hisham, Abu Bakr, Muhammad's best companion quoted, religion should be spread by hook or by crook!! - see point no.2 in my earlier message)

So Mr. know-all anonymous, this stupid scumbag who knows nothing about Islam seeks some answers on why all those companions of Muhammad in the Hadiths, and why independent commentators, as well as interpreters of the Hadiths ALL indicate Muhammad used carried out Forced conversions.

Quoting some references would be better, since this scumbag anonymous is so stupid he doesn't belief you and the Quran and the liar Muhammad.

Let's leave Mark Twain out of this by the way. Hopefully he never used to drink Camel piss when he was unwell.

Anonymous said...

anon@12.47, like said above i am a scumbag:-( but no I'm not a history student. I'm a comparative religion masters holder.

Anonymous said...

Anon above - GREAT REPLIES TO THAT IMPOSTER TRYING TO SELL THAT ISLAM IS A RELIGION OF PEACE ... BULL SHIT !!!

FROM SOMALIA TO PAKISTAN, FROM NIGERIA TO INDONESIA - THEY ARE TROUBLE FOR THEIR OWN COUNTRIES AS WELL AS FOR OTHERS.

Anonymous said...

to all these Pakis who fell in the ditch of islam, instead of banging like gorillas and snorting like pigs, take on this challenge!!

http://www.faithfreedom.org/challenge.htm

Anonymous said...

anyone else wanna take on the scumbag above who will make a scumbag out of Islam? Anyboday else wants to 'prove' to me Islam and Muhammad were peaceful missionaries? Come along.

BuA do you say Islam is a religion spread by peace? Perhaps you'd wanna get some answers to my questions...

Anonymous said...

Anon, thanks for the complements. Hopefully you've learnt some lessons on the filthy side of Islam - including the favourite Urine drinking that Pakis always criticise Hindus - Piss drinkers. Use the solid references above to show ill-learnt big talking Muslims who claim to have read their religion the verses above.

p.s. read the Hadiths and \i can even show you verses on Muhammad advocating dipping a fly into food is good, and also shit is a reward one will gain in heaven!! |Thats the level of filth the wet-dreamer Muhammad said through out his life.

Prettymuch everything is covered in the FFI website above

BENGAL UNDER ATTACK said...

I think Islam has two quarters - the largely peaceful quarter - people who about their daily lives like normal people do, and who pray in the confines of their homes and most importantly do not wear religion up on their sleeves.

On the other hand are these virulent preachers of Islam who believe in spreading Islam by the sword. My public enemy number one in INDIA is the DEOBAND school and seminaries. As can be seen, more than 90% of terrorists belong to this one school - how difficult it is for anyone to see it and tag it as a terrorist entity.

The truth of Allama Iqbal is not known to many - one who is revered in Pakistan so very much.

Yes, I think Islam was spread by sword and not by love - be it Europe / Asia / Africa.

I am thankful and proud that my ancestors were not cowards and have not converted out of fear or under the sword. My grandfather himself "helped" physically Hindus in the riots in Calcutta - so I know how it works.

BENGAL UNDER ATTACK said...

Anon,

Can you go to my recent article and shed some more light on the Hadiths I have mentioned concerning Ghazwatul Hind - thanks

BuA

Anonymous said...

sir its not about 2 quarters or 3 quarters. it's about the religion, vocally. Having read most Islamic texts in translations to both Roman and English by some of the most distinguished translators (e.g. Yusuf Ali, Pickthall...) the religion is nothing but a bag of hatred, torture and pure stupidity.

you should, if you're interested read more about it and you'll realise there's no two quarters to the religion itself.

two quarters may perhaps be in the way and attitude of the followers. Some use logic, others don't and blindly follow the book.

but if the quran and hadiths are to be followed, then what the Taliban is doing is correct, and what fatwas Darul Uloom is giving against terror is incorrect and done out of humanity.

because the religion of islam DOES NOT believe in humanity

Thanks for hosting my comments by the way. Your blog is simply a great platform for a myriad of thoughts.

Anonymous said...

About the prophecies of Ghazwatul Hind, it forms a small and insignificant part of the texts. It is a secondary commentary on what apparently Muhammad said and is not used in most referencing to base with the laws of Islam.

I've not done in depth studies into this part of the texts but what you say covers it all. It speaks about the Muslims conquering Sind and Hind (Sind is already conquered in full).

In fact some scholars like Ibn Kathir point to Mughal rulers assuming that they are carrying out the prophecies when the reached Indian cities like As-Sumaat (I think it lies somewhere in Gujarat). This was quite hardheld in the mind of Mahmud. But again this isn't my field of study specifically so I'm just saying what I know.

I personally feel that these prophecy Hadiths were written or added in many years after Muhammad died by authors who had nothing to do with him.

In my opinion the verses Muslims would prefer using are the many that profess Muhammad's sheer hatred for idolatory - which is an integral part of hinduism. Such verses are more commonly linked to Muslim peoples' duty to rid the world of Idolators. And the largest group of Idolators in this world are Hindus - in India largely.

I don't think you're short of examples for this, but here's one worth noting:


When Muhammad finally conquered Mecca in 631 AD, he allegedly entered the Ka'ba and destroyed the 360 idols in its precincts shouting

" Falsehood is destroyed, truth prevails "

(All Muslims like to emulate Muhammad. And after Taliban blew up the Bamiyan statues, that's exactly what they shouted)

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