Saturday, April 4, 2009

BRAHMOS - HOW DIRTY TRICKS WERE AVERTED?



The Brahmos, in its first trials for the Army, missed the target. The mission was aborted after the missile went off-target mid-course despite a successful launch on January 20, 2009 when the Indian Army Chief was a witness.

After the second trial there was silence from the Army. Then there was a third – and again silence from the Army.

In the meantime, DRDO stated that both the last two trials were a success and went so far to say that it can “intelligently” seek out a building from a cluster of building. For a cruise missile flying at supersonic speed, this kind of accuracy is a game changer in any war / conflict.

I was wondering, is it DRDO hyping its act, trying to cloak another failure. After all, Agni missiles fell way off target and Indian Navy stationed to see the “drop zone” could not see any missile “dropping” around them. DRDO claimed the missile was a huge success. I thought, is this happening again – but that statement – “can hit a building from a cluster of buildings” made me re-think that no one gives that kind of accuracy just to bluff.



However, it did not strike me that greed could be a factor.
Telegraph, KOLKATA carried an extensive article on Brahmos today, that is worth the read, in its entirety.

Excerpts from Telegraph: Text ©Copyright The Telegraph

After the failure of the first trials, in a space of just over two months, Pillai produced a missile — a supersonic cruise missile for the army — through two more rapid-fire tests that left the generals gasping for its uniqueness, for its speed and for Pillai’s sheer grit.

Pillai has made the BrahMos Land Attack Cruise Missile Mark II real despite opposition from the Indian Army that kept upping its demands and reducing the size of the targets in the tests.

The first target was the size of a factory, the second, also a factory the size of a large building and the third, a small building in a simulated urban cluster. The missile was tasked to hit the factory in the first two tests. In the third test, it was to discriminate, select and choose its target before destroying it.

The second test, on March 4, seen by deputy army chief Lt Gen M.S. Dadwal, Pillai said it was a success but the army said it was “evaluating and analysing” the results even three days after the test.

“The missile was in the target area all right,” Gen Kapoor said of the test. “But there has been one failure (on January 20) so we need confirmation and there are some technical issues.”

Then on March 29 — just last week — Pillai requested the army to send a team to witness another test. The director general of military operations, Lt Gen A.S. Sekhon, led a team.

This time, the army put up just a sheet as a target with reflectors on two sides to deflect the missile from its trajectory.
Pillai’s BrahMos hit bull’s eye.
Without waiting for official word from the army this time, Pillai went public, proclaiming its success.

In 15 minutes flat,” he put it simply in his chamber inside the headquarters of the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) in an interview to The Telegraph, “your enemy country can be destroyed and you do not even have to go nuclear.”

“In the Iraq war, the US launched 1,000 Tomahawks in half a day,” he recalled. “You have to think on that scale. And the BrahMos is supersonic. It cannot be intercepted. Even we cannot do anything to it, once we launch it. Fire and forget. You think of the missile in hundreds, thousands, like you think of many, many arrows being fired from a quiver,” he said.

THE DIRTY TRICKS:

Then why did the Indian Army open itself to suggestions that it was not keen on the project? Clear-cut answers won’t be available to such questions. But the army has been seeing demonstrations of missiles by Raytheon Corporation. A section of the army’s artillery officers has been impressed by it. (While Telegraph writes they were impressed - I wonder how they were made to be impressed - ah well, we all know, don't we?)

For an excellent overview over how deals are made - read this article by Prasun Sengupta: The New Untouchables.

A piece of history that DRDO’s scientists are familiar with was in danger of being repeated: was another indigenous, rather, a semi-indigenous military programme going to be sacrificed in the interest of imports? And to the benefit of middlemen who would earn fat commissions? All in the name of national security? And national interest?

The vice-chief of army staff, Lt Gen Noble Thamburaj, announced at a seminar: “The BrahMos Mark II is ready for induction. The missile’s accuracy, lethality and range have made it a deadly combination.”

The army is NOW ready to raise two regiments of the BrahMos Mark II.

Sir, Sivathanu Pillai, I salute you !

REPLY BY PRASUN SENGUPTA: (His comments are valued and hence I have brought them upfront in the main article).

"Someone definitely seems to be spreading disinformation about the Indian Army not being interested in the BrahMos. And THE TELEGRAPH too seems to have fallen victim to this disinformation campaign. The fact remains that the Indian Army had two years ago begun inducting the BrahMos Block 1 into service. Therefore, the issue of the Army rejecting the BrahMos in favour of 'imported' solutions does not arise AT ALL. Nor should THE TELEGRAPH compare the on-going field evaluations of Raytheon's Javelin ATGM with those of the BrahMos. Anyway, below are some examples of how incompetent these 'desi' reporters are: The publishers and reporters of FRONTLINE MAY BE professionals in all arenas of reportage except military matters, rest assured. For one, their latest report on the BrahMos' test-firings does not explain how and when exactly GPS updates are obtained and in what phase of the operation (prior to missile launch or after missile launch). Secondly, it does not specify which GPS system is utilised: Navstar or Glonass. For pinpoint strikes the BrahMos would have to have access to Py-code GPS updates every 2 seconds, and this is only available from Glonass and not from Navstar. Therefore, to even suggest that the BrahMos went off course due to unavailability of GPS navigational updates on the day the new US President was being sworn in is ludicrous, to say the least. Thirdly, the article does not even explain how exactly the target acquisition takes place PRIOR to missile launch. In fact, in ALL articles published in any India-based magazine thus far, NO ONE has explained how exactly target acquisition takes place and what exactly is the launch sequence. They haven't even printed any of the BrahMos posters that have been shown in numerous exhibitions both in India and abroad and which clearly explain the roles played by satellites with reference to BrahMos' target acquisition/engagement sequences. Fourthly, none of these so-called 'professional' journalists have even attempted to describe what kind of firing range is made available for the test-firings of the BrahMos' land attack variant, and under what kind of limitations all such test-firings have been conducted since 2003. Even worse, they haven't even published any photo or diagram of the BrahMos' SGH X-band SAR radar--whereas I had uploaded its photo last year itself and it was also published as far back as 2004 in FORCE. That's how professional the mainstream Indian newsmedia is!"

Another question put up by TELEGRAPH: Pillai is not being given a scope to prove the submarine launched version as Indian Navy is not being able to lease out even one for undertaking the test? What's the story here?

Reply by Prasun: "The TELEGRAPH insinuation is not true since the Navy really can't spare any existing SSK for the BrahMos test-firing phase. Because once a submarine is made available, it will take at least 18 months to modify it through the installation of vertical launch cells. In addition, the Indian Navy as far back as 2000 had been committed to the plan for installing the Novator-built Club-S supersonic anti-ship cruise missiles and the subsonic 3M14E land-attack cruise missiles on board the upgraded Type 877EKM Kilo-class SSKs. There's nothing sinister in all this at all. Therefore, BrahMos Aerospace, like other potential missile vendors, is lobbying hard for having BrahMos pre-selected for the follow-on six SSKs that the Indian Navy wants to procure. And it is here that unwanted and ill-informed controversies are being fanned. To obtain clarity on this issue one has to find out what exactly will be the operational tasks of the follow-on six SSKs. Apart from waging submarine warfare, these six SSKs will also be required to undertake anti-ship missile strikes with cruise missiles that should be able to be launched from the SSK's torpedo tubes, AND NOT from vertical launch cells that, if installed, will unnecessarily increase the SSK's displacement with no clear operational advantages emerging. Another reason why vertical launch cells for the BrahMos are not preferred by the Indian Navy for the to-be-ordered six SSKs is because the RFI very clearly states that these SSKs will be required to be armed with vertically-launched missiles designed to destroy hovering ASW helicopters or low-flying MR/ASW aircraft (such a system is already under development between the DRDO and RAFAEL since 2004 and its first installation will be on the ATV). Therefore, the Navy has rightfully determined that the anti-ship/land-attack cruise missiles should be launched from the torpedo tubes, and not from vertical launch cells. Again, nothing sinister about all this at all. Regretably, the TELEGRAPH article does not go deep enough to understand the operational peculiarities of undersea warfare and instead, tries to oversimplify matters and as a consequence, dessiminate disinformation."

60 comments:

Anonymous said...

It may have surprised you, but by now we all know how corrupt even the Army has become. All procurements now stink - specially those made just before elections.

However I want to digress a bit here:

BuA, since when did Vietnamese people join the Taliban? LOL !

Pakistan's top Taliban commander Baitullah Mehsud has claimed responsibility for the shootings at an US immigration services centre in New York state that killed 13 people.

"I accept the responsibility. They were my men," Mehsud told reporters in Peshawar on phone from an undisclosed location.

But the gunman in US was of Vietnamese origin. His name was Jiverly Wong.

Of course Wong was not part of Taliban. It would seem Baitullah's audience is the footsoldiers of Taliban to give them "courage" in face of relentless US Drones.

Seems the US has at last started hitting Taliban where it hurts most - ORAKZAI AGENCY.

Anonymous said...

DRDO and ISRO scientists must be doing something good now - for Lashkar e Taiba to target them.

S. Kumar said...

Mr Pillai, like our ISRO Madhavan, are a different breed of scientist - and India should be very very proud of them.

I am from South India and I am extra proud of them.

Prasun K Sengupta said...

Someone definitely seems to be spreading disinformation about the Indian Army not being interested in the BrahMos. And THE TELEGRAPH too seems to have fallen victim to this disinformation campaign. The fact remains that the Indian Army had two years ago begun inducting the BrahMos Block 1 into service. Therefore, the issue of the Army rejecting the BrahMos in favour of 'imported' solutions does not arise AT ALL. Nor should THE TELEGRAPH compare the on-going field evaluations of Raytheon's Javelin ATGM with those of the BrahMos. Anyway, below are some examples of how incompetent these 'desi' reporters are: The publishers and reporters of FRONTLINE MAY BE professionals in all arenas of reportage except military matters, rest assured. For one, their latest report on the BrahMos' test-firings does not explain how and when exactly GPS updates are obtained and in what phase of the operation (prior to missile launch or after missile launch). Secondly, it does not specify which GPS system is utilised: Navstar or Glonass. For pinpoint strikes the BrahMos would have to have access to Py-code GPS updates every 2 seconds, and this is only available from Glonass and not from Navstar. Therefore, to even suggest that the BrahMos went off course due to unavailability of GPS navigational updates on the day the new US President was being sworn in is ludicrous, to say the least. Thirdly, the article does not even explain how exactly the target acquisition takes place PRIOR to missile launch. In fact, in ALL articles published in any India-based magazine thus far, NO ONE has explained how exactly target acquisition takes place and what exactly is the launch sequence. They haven't even printed any of the BrahMos posters that have been shown in numerous exhibitions both in India and abroad and which clearly explain the roles played by satellites with reference to BrahMos' target acquisition/engagement sequences. Fourthly, none of these so-called 'professional' journalists have even attempted to describe what kind of firing range is made available for the test-firings of the BrahMos' land attack variant, and under what kind of limitations all such test-firings have been conducted since 2003. Even worse, they haven't even published any photo or diagram of the BrahMos' SGH X-band SAR radar--whereas I had uploaded its photo last year itself and it was also published as far back as 2004 in FORCE. That's how professional the mainstream Indian newsmedia is!

Anonymous said...

Prasun Sengupta can u please answer the questions u have posed above, and get to the point of your post, i.e. what do u mean??

Is the DRDO lacking competency / churning out a crappy missile?

Please clarify

thanx

BENGAL UNDER ATTACK said...

Prasun,

While this is clearly your domain, I still have to ask a few questions:

1. The longest distance available to Army to conduct trials in Pokhran is 52 kms and Pillai said his Brahmos hit in 15 minutes flat (did he mean 15 seconds)? Even then how does the test qualify as "supersonic"?

2. The Telegraph article which even carried a follow up today, seems to suggest something more "sinister". Especially the way, it mentioned in today's paper - that Pillai is not being given a scope to prove the submarine launched version as Indian Navy is not being able to lease out even one for undertaking the test? What's the story here?

3. Surely Prasun, there are some elements that do dance to "middlemen" nothwithstanding the crude dance video presentation by Rafael.

And lastly, Prasun, what do you think of Block II version? Don't you think 3 tests are too little to go in for induction in a large way.

I wish tho that Indian Army have at least 30 Block II versions now - will be good to blow off some important installations within Pakistan in case of a swift conflict.

Anonymous said...

Prasun and his undying love for indian armed forces .........

Prasun K Sengupta said...

To BuA Da: Here are the clarifications:
1) The 15-minute timeframe is not just for the flight-phase of the missile, but for the mobile autonomous launcher (MAL) vehicle to be deployed to its staging area in a ready-to-fire mode, receiving the target's SAR imagery (obtained by another airborne platform through the pod-mounted EL/M-2060P SAR) by satellite and uploading the same SAR imagery into the BrahMos' SGH radar for target co-relation, and getting a GPS fix (through Glonass) of the MAL's location via-a-vis the target and uploading the same coordinates on to the BrahMos' on-board ring laser gyro-based inertial navigation system (RLG-INS).

2) The TELEGRAPH insinuation is not true since the Navy really can't spare any existing SSK for the BrahMos test-firing phase. Because once a submarine is made available, it will take at least 18 months to modify it through the installation of vertical launch cells. In addition, the Indian Navy as far back as 2000 had been committed to the plan for installing the Novator-built Club-S supersonic anti-ship cruise missiles and the subsonic 3M14E land-attack cruise missiles on board the upgraded Type 877EKM Kilo-class SSKs. There's nothing sinister in all this at all. Therefore, BrahMos Aerospace, like other potential missile vendors, is lobbying hard for having BrahMos pre-selected for the follow-on six SSKs that the Indian Navy wants to procure. And it is here that unwanted and ill-informed controversies are being fanned. To obtain clarity on this issue one has to find out what exactly will be the operational tasks of the follow-on six SSKs. Apart from waging submarine warfare, these six SSKs will also be required to undertake anti-ship missile strikes with cruise missiles that should be able to be launched from the SSK's torpedo tubes, AND NOT from vertical launch cells that, if installed, will unnecessarily increase the SSK's displacement with no clear operational advantages emerging. Another reason why vertical launch cells for the BrahMos are not preferred by the Indian Navy for the to-be-ordered six SSKs is because the RFI very clearly states that these SSKs will be required to be armed with vertically-launched missiles designed to destroy hovering ASW helicopters or low-flying MR/ASW aircraft (such a system is already under development between the DRDO and RAFAEL since 2004 and its first installation will be on the ATV). Therefore, the Navy has rightfully determined that the anti-ship/land-attack cruise missiles should be launched from the torpedo tubes, and not from vertical launch cells. Again, nothing sinister about all this at all. Regretably, the TELEGRAPH article does not go deep enough to understand the operational peculiarities of undersea warfare and instead, tries to oversimplify matters and as a consequence, dessiminate disinformation.

3) To me, three successful flight-test of the BrahMos' Block 2 variant are more than enough as what was put to test was only the SGH radar's new target recognition/scene co-relation algorithm. Everything else has already been tested and validated since 2003 through numerous other test-firings.

Prasun K Sengupta said...

To Anon@8:29PM: I haven't posed any questions in any of my posts in this blog. There are no question marks after any of my sentences. The DRDO IS NOT churning out any crappy missiles, certainly not the BrahMos, which is an improvement over the already-proven Yakhont. What is being churned out by mainstream Indian newsmedia are crappy stories and ill-informed speculations that give rise to avoidable conspiracy theories, and unnecessary and uncalled for glorification of a singular 'missile man', while conveniently forgetting the contributions of other team-members, including former President A P J Abdul Kalam who had in fact taken the lead in creating BrahMos Aerospace in February 1998.

SmarterOne said...

@ BuA & Prasun
"15 minutes flat" is not the time it took to hit the target. What Mr. Pillai said was that the enemy country can be destroyed in 15 mins flat.

Prasun K Sengupta said...

If that were the case then the US even with thousands of T-LAM cruise missiles way back in January 1991 wouldn't have waged an air campaign over a three-week period. And having Known Dr Pillai since 2001 I wouldn't attribute such ridiculous remarks to him, for the simple reason that, supposing there are 5,000 targets to be hit (as the IAF's AOC-in-C Western Air Command had remarked last December), it would require at least 20,000 BrahMos missiles for engaging all these targets. And to do this in 15 minutes flat is clearly impossible. On top of that, if the annual production run is for 120 missiles, imagine how long it will take to produce 20,000 rounds. I therefore blame THE TELEGRAPH for making irresponsible attributions that will only make Dr Pillai look in very poor light.

BENGAL UNDER ATTACK said...

Prasun Da,

Thanks a ton for the answers. Suggest you send across a rejoinder to the Telegraph. It is one of the largest read English daily here in East, and also on net to the vast diaspora abroad.

Such "insinuations" will be read wrongly by the masses who will not have "erudite rejoinders" that one can get from you.

Esp the one on submarine - the reporter should have given that the Navy does not have a spare sub as it will take over 20 months for the entire "procedure / fitments" to be put in place - in that case, everyone can understand why it is not being given. But the way it is put, its like the Navy is shying away from Brahmos for sinister designs. This is not "good or just" reporting.

Cheers

BuA

BENGAL UNDER ATTACK said...

Prasun Da,

I have added your comments to the main article - do have a look at it.

Now, the article is well balanced. :)

Thanks

Kannan said...

Why can't Indian Armed Forces and MoD dispel these controversies in simple language through..Obama type website..whitehouse.gov where u can post questions and get answers directly from Obama advisers..It also gives clarity to people about policies and hope. I mean, how many guys/gals can read Prasun Sengupta's blog or defence websites and make sense from various acronyms and technical stuff..like different models of radars,vendors and other intricacies.
If conspiracies theories flies around long enough, it becomes "facts".

Anonymous said...

you're the man prasun... gr8 going... u put it correctly... desi reporters suck and just thrive to create a ditch

Anonymous said...

Prasun I would also love to hear your take on Arjun. Flat out let me ask you in anticipation of a short and direct answer.

Does Arjun deserve to be inducted in present form or not? Is the current rollie-pollie going on the fault of the DRDO (as accused by the Army) or Army's fault due to corrupt nature?

Many thanks

Anonymous said...

been sometime since NK launched missile BUA. Nothing. US as usual was sitting in a nutshell. SK ad Japan had to inform them about the launch (despite all the hyped spy satellites that can "read a newspaper on ground level" and "tell time of a person's watch").

Japan, well seeing that missile and thinking of a potential "fat-man" it is carrying shat in their pants not daring to touch it although it flew over Japanese territory. Japan can have nukes they will sit on it not use it.

SK - well they were waiting what US asks them to do. But little did they know that they had to wake up US about the test. before US could brush its teeth and wash its face, Kim Jong Il and gang were partying.

@@@@@!!!!!-----!!!!!@@@@@

Anonymous said...

Prasun, Thanks for this - really great and makes it clear.

BuA: Thanks for bringing Prasun - it adds greater depth to your story on BrahMos.

Anonymous said...

prasun sengupta is a
Qaidani disckhead who
talks like he knows
everything but knows
nothing at all.

A Rasheed
Abu Dhabi

Anonymous said...

Brahmos is a failed
missile and the whole
world knows about it and
yet indian hindu gandus
are soaking the shit.
pathetic

Moskov Armekov
Vladivostok

Anonymous said...

What a bullshit article
by indians who know nothing
i am from Italy and the whole
Europa knows Pakistan as
superior and yet indians talk
and talk away like BUA and
Prasun

Z.Harris
Rome

Anonymous said...

Oh No, here he comes again - dip shit Zaid Hamid or his clone. Hey Z Harris - you do not have permission to speak here - go only to that article on Zaid Hamid.

Prasun K Sengupta said...

To All Concerned: Here's the weblink to yet another story that only spreads further disinformation: http://www.zeenews.com/nation/2009-04-07/521171news.html

While this story tries to reinforce the allegations of corruption purpotedly associated with the MR-SAM/LR-SAM procurements, what the story does not reveal is that this contract was inked in 2002 in order to operationalise at long last the OFB's Nalanda-based factory that was originally to be supplied on a turnkey basis by South Africa's DENEL Group and was to undertake the production of 130mm and 155mm cargo rounds and related modular charges. As we all know now, this contract with DENEL was cancelled in 2004 (due to the UPA govt's vindictive politics against George Fernandes, I guess) and since then the partially built industrial infrastructure has only been gathering dust, instead of being commissioned in 2004. And now that Israel Military Industries (IMI) has been roped in to arrest the damage and operationalise this OFB factory ASAP, conspiracy theories about corruption and nefarious designs are once again being dessiminated! By the way, the OFB had another factory in Bolangir that was built on a turnkey basis by US-based Day & Zimmermann and was 90% ready by May 1998 when its commissioning was suspended indefinitely due to the Shakti-1/2 nuclear weapons tests. This factory too was operationalised by 2004 with IMI's help and now produces 155mm and 130mm HE/smoke/incendiary/white phospherous rounds and their charge bags.

Anonymous said...

Prasun,

Denel did provide some smoking guns. Hopefully if NDA comes, it will not go in for tit for tat cancellations of defense contracts - ultimately India has a deep hole in its defense.

On a different level Prasun - BuA has been continuously making assertion that ISI (rouge) elements that control Taliban are taking over Pakistan - now Times of India comes in with an article today stating Pakistan will collapse in 6 months - leading to a Taliban takeover. I know you are sceptical of the 100 nuclear warheads that Pakistan has theory - but let us assume that to be true.

What are India's defense options? Should there be a pre-emptive strike before the fall of Pakistan?

And do you see any joint Israeli - India move in Pakistan. I am personally highly suspect of US motives in the region and cannot see them as any positive factor. Only two nations who will suffer most are India and Israel and hence it makes sense for them to come together. I see an axis forming of India + Israel + S Arica.

Your comments.

Prasun K Sengupta said...

It is no use speculating about a scenario that does not exist in reality. Pakistan has no more than 8 nuclear warheads and that too all these are firmly in China's custody at all times in the Northern Areas. Therefore, all n-warheads meant for use by Pakistan are in extra-safe hands and there's no need for launching any kind of pre-emptive strike against Pakistan by anyone. If at all things get dangerous within Pakistan the Chinese will be the first to re-deploy the n-warheads from the Northern Areas back to the safety of Chengdu.

As far as India goes, it has no more than 36 plutonium cores at any given time that can be used for n-warheads. The total amount of fissile material (weapons-grade plutonium) as India's strategic reserve is no more than 3 metric tonnes (which is more than enough) and it is for this reason that India stands ready to sign the Fissile Materials Cutoff Treaty at any given time.

Anonymous said...

Prasun,

this story of Pak having Chinese nukes is a mere speculation.

the other part of the story comes from logic - the number of nuclear reactors the country has - access to uranium, access to centrifuges etc.

Fact: It was Pakistan that gave China designs to the latest version of centrifuges which it stole from Europe (Dutch / Germany).

Hence there is a story of 100 nukes to India's 36 nukes doing the rounds.

And this may well be true. Does it change dynamics - NO. Pakistan will be toast if it fires 1 nuke in India, so it really does not matter if Pakistan has 1 Nuke or 100.

Anonymous said...

Prasun,

Also BuA had written earlier that N Korea tested its nuke in Pakistan? DO u give credence to that?

Also sometime back he had written that the Chinese tested Pak nukes at Lop Nor. Was it a Pak made nuke or a Chinese made nuke to show the Pakis? Why on earth would Paki scientists travel to Lop Nor to see Chinese conduct nuke test if it were not a) Pak made nukes and b) understand the process of tunelling etc to conduct a test.

Thanks

Prasun K Sengupta said...

To Anon@7:54PM: I' glad you've decided to apply logic as this has been missing in several debates since 1998. The first point to be considered is that despite the enormous investments made into uranium enrichment by Pakistan, the n-tests in Chagai on May 28 and 30, 1998 clearly and conclusively proved that the two warheads tested made use of weapons-grade plutonium, and not enriched uranium. How do you explain that, especially since the PAEC's first China-supplied nuclear reactor capable of producing plutonium went critical only in 2001? If you can explain this anomaly, I will gladly accept that my previous reply was highly speculative. Even as far as China is concerned, it gave up using HEU in the 1970s and the great majority of its n-weapons use plutonium cores.
Lastly, you may be led to believe that Pakistan will be toast if it executes a nuclear first strike against India, but here you are clearly over-estimating India's retaliatory strike policies and capabilities. This is because A) India's nuclear deterrence doctrine exists only as a draft and no declaratory white paper has yet been issued by the Govt of India that will govern the application of its minimum credible n-deterrent. B) Unlike India, the strategic-level and operational-level decision-making process in Pakistan is smooth, troublefree and well-insulated from any kind of civilian procrastination. C) Every time Pakistan has threatened India with n-blackmail since mid-1999, it is India that has blinked first, instead of calling Pakistan's bluff. Now, if India had an assured and credible n-deterrence in place, LOGIC would dictate that India would not have to even bother about guess-estimating Pakistan's nuclear threshold levels in the event of all-out conventional war breaking out, Yet, experience proves that both in 1999 and 2002 (during OP Parakram), India's top civilian decision-makers displayed total ineptness and a total lack of understanding of what n-deterrence is all about. This, to me, is treasonous.

To Anon@7:56PM: I have not come across any direct linkage between Pakistan and North Korea when it comes to nuclear weaponisation. Concerning Lop Nor, it was the visit by a PAEC delegation there to witness an underground Chinese n-test. But that was in the early 1980s and the n-test was that of an aerial n-bomb using HEU, whose design was passed on by China to Pakistan. A lot of water has flown since then and this aerial n-bomb design has since been discarded by Pakistan in favour of n-warheads carried by ballistic missiles.

Anonymous said...

Prasun there are several things you are saying at once:

1. That Pak has not yet made bombs using enriched uranium. (I guess the sniffer planes flying high would have picked up traces of plutonum and not uranium - however I doubt if India has deep penetration aerial vehicles that can pick up such a signature. The US will surely have - but will it ever share such data with India - I doubt it).

2. The nuclear reactor by China (plutonium) going critical in 2001 means one of two things:

a. These bombs were Chinese
b. These were Pakistani bombs using imported plutonium cores from China.

3. India dithering - does India have nukes? Even if it has - maybe its delivery systems are suspect - as my guess is that these are not missile mounted but only deliverable by planes.

The body language is one thing that bluff and bluster does not hide. Pakistan did launch the Kashmir struggle in earnest when it was reported that they have gone nuclear. If this were "teen patti" it will be difficult to play so long on bluff and India to go on playing "blind".

There is more to it than meets the eye. Now that Muslim Khan the spokesman has said that Taliban is eyeing Kashmir - I believe him. These are old war horses and in the vein of Hekmatyar, J Haqqani - I will take them on their word. Does India wait for them to come in - or we go and hit them at their spawning grounds?

Indian NE said...

It seems the project was sabotaged deliberately, India is using US GPS system for BrahMos and the satellite link blinked for a moment while the missile was on air.

http://www.truthout.org/020609B

It's the same power that killed Homi Bhabha, Vikram Sarabhai and delayed Indian nuke/Space programs by decades. Good to see people waking up in all corners

btw here's a link about the Homi Bhabha conspiracy
http://www.dnaindia.com/report.asp?newsid=1248198

Anonymous said...

I am from tamil nadu

I like to remember a vadi velu dialogue

Konna payalaku pirantha konga payala

stop bull shit artilces like this

if you do then i like to hit you with brahmos missile

only after the microsecond you realise the power of brahmos

okkanthu yosipingalada?mutta payala
vera vella vetti irantha parudu yalai

varata!:>

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